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« Reply #725 on: July 06, 2010, 06:13:44 PM »

     Hey, I thought I did a good job of routing the bulk of my attacks through surrogates. Tongue

True.. Tongue
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« Reply #726 on: July 06, 2010, 06:24:14 PM »

A few things:

1. You can't come up with a better adjective than "Dolores Umbridge-ian"?
2. The word is "disingenuity", not "dis-ingenuousness".
3. "-eth" is a suffix for the second-person singular present tense. Therefore, "dareth" is the same as "dares". Do not use it in any other manner.
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« Reply #727 on: July 06, 2010, 06:28:07 PM »

A few things:

1. You can't come up with a better adjective than "Dolores Umbridge-ian"?
2. The word is "disingenuity", not "dis-ingenuousness".
3. "-eth" is a suffix for the second-person singular present tense. Therefore, "dareth" is the same as "dares". Do not use it in any other manner.

1. This was rushed okay? Tongue
2. Blame firefox. It doesn't consider "disingenuity" a word.
3. Oh, fine. Tongue
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« Reply #728 on: July 06, 2010, 11:19:52 PM »

Marokai Blue, now the Vice President of Atlasia, is still carrying on with this trashy mud-slinging by which I first became acquainted with him? And against a sitting Senator for disagreeing with his policies?

Needless to say, I expect an apology.
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« Reply #729 on: July 06, 2010, 11:53:05 PM »

Marokai Blue, now the Vice President of Atlasia, is still carrying on with this trashy mud-slinging by which I first became acquainted with him? And against a sitting Senator for disagreeing with his policies?

Needless to say, I expect an apology.

And needless to say, you won't be getting one.

Not until you and the rest of your ilk start coming to the table and acting like adults to deal with the big issues as opposed to your continued whining over minor non-issues that you create yourselves. We have made it clear we are in it for the long haul and prepared to do alot of work, and you have made the exact opposite clear.
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« Reply #730 on: July 07, 2010, 12:03:26 AM »

Marokai Blue, now the Vice President of Atlasia, is still carrying on with this trashy mud-slinging by which I first became acquainted with him? And against a sitting Senator for disagreeing with his policies?

Needless to say, I expect an apology.

And needless to say, you won't be getting one.

Not until you and the rest of your ilk start coming to the table and acting like adults to deal with the big issues as opposed to your continued whining over minor non-issues that you create yourselves. We have made it clear we are in it for the long haul and prepared to do alot of work, and you have made the exact opposite clear.

What "non-issues" did we create? Like when your administration nominated a Maoist to your cabinet, something that has been criticized even by 'moderates' like Fmr. President afleitch?

Your non-stop attacks on me and anyone who opposes anything your administration does are getting rather tiresome.

This vitriolic rag is unbecoming of the Vice President of any respectable nation, and until you either issue an apology or Purple State disavows your comments, I interpret this as a clear sign that your administration is not interested in working fairly with people who may have differing viewpoints.
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« Reply #731 on: July 07, 2010, 12:34:54 AM »

I'm going to try to serious engage you here. This may well be a mistake, but it's worth a try.

What "non-issues" did we create? Like when your administration nominated a Maoist to your cabinet, something that has been criticized even by 'moderates' like Fmr. President afleitch?

PS and I don't give a damn about his political ideology. That is one area where I can safely speak for Purple State. The decision to choose Winston was something both of us thought was a good idea, and we thought it was a good idea because of his interesting persona and his attitude. The SoIA position is badly in need of something to give it purpose. Al did a good job at doing SOMETHING with the position, but it still needs actual responsibilities.

Winston is the only person with the attitude to make the position more well known, with the same ability and energy at actually doing something in the job. Regular updates on policy for public discussion in the Atlas Fantasy Elections board, more working with others, and I plan to introduce legislation to give the SoIA position another responsibility, opening monthly question periods to the public.

His ability to implement policy is nil, and his personality is not as repulsive as his political ideology is. He is a good person with the ability to make the position more interesting, and that is why he was chosen. It is simple. (Franzl supports his nomination. Is Franzl now a communist sympathizer?) Using that appointment as a roundabout way to attack an Administration you don't like is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

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I have barely scratched at you in the grand total of twice that you and I have came to a head-to-head confrontation. My efforts have always been lengthy and had the purpose of trying to come to a middle. My post in the "Break the Chains Act" thread was designed in a way to try and explain that I thought your efforts were hurting precisely what you intended to help.

You didn't try to argue the point. You immediately turned around and labeled anyone who opposed the measure a "reactionary tool of big business." You have no high horse here. You've done nothing but lash out at people who even offer amendments to your legislation. Anyone who opposed an effort to institute a referendum to go to war became a "tool of the military-industrial complex." You don't even try to have a discussion. You just label, turn on your fake outrage machine, engage in a bunch of deliberate misinterpretation, and walk away. You have no room to criticize.

The difference between you and I is that I fight to accomplish something and am actually interested in having a good faith discussion on the issue at hand. Your entire purpose is to bait and goad people into an argument and then pretend to be offended, all the while accomplishing zilch.

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This is a laugh. How many times in the campaign did I carefully craft our game reform proposals to work within the system? How many times did I call for a genuine good faith effort to come to the table and work something out? How many times did I declare I came in with a completely open mind and I'd cast aside all preconceived notions on game reform?

I am a Centralist in this game no longer. I am a Socialist in this game no longer. I am a Reformist for the foreseeable future. An individual that seeks to do something, anything at all, to change the game and make things interesting.

I just want to state, we're open to ideas here, we just have a large set of them on our own and alot of work done now and in the future. We're by no means stubborn, we just want to do something different. At our hearts, we are a fundamentally reformist ticket, dedicated to game reform completely. We want to engage the citizenry in any way possible, and we will try to lead the way in doing something, changing something, anything at all.

So please, if you oppose our ideas, at least explain why, and what you think will be better. It tells apart the "let's do something else" folks from the "let's never do anything at all" folks.

I am not a regionalist, but I have said in this campaign I am not defining myself as a centralist either. I am a reformist with an open mind. We can easily work together to find reasonable solutions for both sides of the spectrum if you open your mind.

Not in this entire campaign have I proposed something that deals a crippling blow to the regions. If anything I've seeks to disproportionately benefit them by trying to find ways to expand representation.

I was hoping that we could reach out to everyone and work together to move Atlasia forward. We have great plans for our future and I've said repeatedly that I'm not approaching our reforms from ideological grounds.

I'm making this my first statement as VP-elect: Don't fall for these stupid immature tricks trying to divide everyone. Throughout this campaign I never made it an ideological one. I reached out to Populares members about our plans for game reform, I sought support from respectable people on the right-wing like Inks, and RowanBrandon, and Smid.

PS and I will form an administration that is a reformist one. We're not a left-wing or right-wing team, we are simply a reformist team, and game reform will have the great majority of our focus.

So please, everyone. Don't fall for these petty tactics at obstructionism before there's even anything to obstruct. Talk about our policies genuinely, and engage in a game reform debate in good faith. I've never wanted anything less. I want to get things done and I recognize the need to bring everyone to the table while having bold ideas. We need to act like adults here, not senseless partisans already decrying an administration that has yet to even take office.

But game reform has reached a point where I think we all need to come together reasonably and genuinely brain storm in good faith to make the game better for everyone. There, at least, we should try to be more mature than in the past.

The fact of the matter here is, you have no intention of doing it, Libertas. You are trying to do everything in your power to stir up trouble in an effort to prevent a coming together of minds because you don't want us to succeed. You hold a grudge against me and are simply trying every tactic in your book to attack us and prevent anything from happening.

During the campaign, you and I agreed on a ton of game reform stuff. We agreed on a possible reboot. We agreed on the need to consolidate the statute. We agreed on the need to change state moves within regions. I've even had discussions with some of your party members in private on game reform measures, Dallasfan in particular, and we got along really well and agreed on a ton of possible measures!

The thing is, you've directly avoided having any sort of game reform discussion with us because you know you would either have to give support to something we do, which in your mind is horrifying, or you would have to just flat-out lie about your previous positions. You are the one being petty here. Attempting to place blame on us and paint us as villains so you don't have to sit down and act like an adult and have a genuine good faith discussion on game reform. Purple State and I have wanted nothing less, and you know it.
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« Reply #732 on: July 07, 2010, 12:39:29 AM »

Hmm, it sounds like you really do want me to become an obstructionist. Be careful what you wish for.


I will wait to hear Purple State's commentary on recent events to see if there is any hope of working with this administration.
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« Reply #733 on: July 07, 2010, 12:44:31 AM »

Hmm, it sounds like you really do want me to become an obstructionist. Be careful what you wish for.

I think you're accomplishing that quite well already. You have engaged in a calculated strategy of trying to repeatedly poison the well and prevent any discussion that brings us all together. Over the past several months all I've ever said is that I want sensible and common sense reforms and for us all to cast aside preconceived notions on game reform to accomplish anything at all.

The only person that has been so loudly opposed to such a sensible and mature approach has been you.

If you ever decide to come to the table and have a genuine discussion for once where you don't try to completely mischaracterize everything and scream bloody murder from the get-go, I will absolutely work with you without a second thought and take all your ideas into consideration. You have yet to cede any ground to us to sit down at the table, however.
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« Reply #734 on: July 07, 2010, 12:48:58 AM »

I'm done with you and your mud-slinging. From now on I'll deal with your boss.

This is about what I'd imagine a Vice President Palin would have been like to deal with, just without the sex appeal.
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« Reply #735 on: July 07, 2010, 12:53:26 AM »
« Edited: July 07, 2010, 12:55:08 AM by Vice P. Marokai Blue »

I'm done with you and your mud-slinging. From now on I'll deal with your boss.

And you continue to prove my point over and over and over again. You deliberately ignore anything that would make my posts seem like I want to work with you (and everyone else for that matter) to continue on your narrative that I am a lunatic bent on attacking everyone in sight.

The reality, plain to see to anyone, is that I've done a ton of work because I (for some reason or another) care about Atlasia and want something to get done. If you ever have time on your hands, you should scroll back through the ConCon board, where PiT and I were unlikely allies in the process of it all, despite now being two people who are political enemies.

I want something done. I'll work with anyone willing to sit down and hammer something out. It's your prerogative if you simply desire to sit back and claim horrible mistreatment where none exists, when there is clearly an extended hand right before your very eyes.
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« Reply #736 on: July 07, 2010, 12:57:32 AM »

I'm done with you and your mud-slinging. From now on I'll deal with your boss.

And you continue to prove my point over and over and over again. You deliberately ignore anything that would make my posts seem like I want to work with you (and everyone else for that matter) to continue on your narrative that I am a lunatic bent on attacking everyone in sight.

The reality, plain to see to anyone, is that I've done a ton of work because I (for some reason or another) care about Atlasia and want something to get done. If you ever have time on your hands, you should scroll back through the ConCon board, where PiT and I were unlikely allies in the process of it all, despite now being two people who are political enemies.

I want something done. I'll work with anyone willing to sit down and hammer something out. It's your prerogative if you simply desire to sit back and claim horrible mistreatment where none exists, when there is clearly an extended hand right before your very eyes.

Apologize for your mud-slinging on the previous page, and perhaps I will take this claim of yours seriously.
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« Reply #737 on: July 07, 2010, 12:58:13 AM »

I will apologize when I am proven wrong.
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« Reply #738 on: July 07, 2010, 01:07:03 AM »

I should state now for the record (as I believe I did during the campaign, though I could be mistaken) that while I find this and other Atlasian publications thoroughly amusing to read, I do not condone or endorse any of the comments found within. The views here are expressly those of Marokai and it is well within his right to rant what he may.

As I have tried to hammer in time after time, I am not concerned in the least bit with ideology over the next 4 months. My singular goal, as I stated in the campaign, will be to improve this game in a lasting and meaningful way. This means clarifying the system, streamlining and consolidating the Constitution and statutes, ensuring that the Wiki is and continues to be a solid core for the game, and building up the legitimacy of the executive branch.

By the end of my administration, I no longer want people to ask why the SoIA exists or what the Atlasian tax system looks like or when the next election is. Once I am done, you can all return to the fierce ideological debates you know and love, comforted by the knowledge that the game works better than it ever did before.

Is that clear enough for everyone?
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« Reply #739 on: July 07, 2010, 01:18:45 AM »

I should state now for the record (as I believe I did during the campaign, though I could be mistaken) that while I find this and other Atlasian publications thoroughly amusing to read, I do not condone or endorse any of the comments found within. The views here are expressly those of Marokai and it is well within his right to rant what he may.

As I have tried to hammer in time after time, I am not concerned in the least bit with ideology over the next 4 months. My singular goal, as I stated in the campaign, will be to improve this game in a lasting and meaningful way. This means clarifying the system, streamlining and consolidating the Constitution and statutes, ensuring that the Wiki is and continues to be a solid core for the game, and building up the legitimacy of the executive branch.

By the end of my administration, I no longer want people to ask why the SoIA exists or what the Atlasian tax system looks like or when the next election is. Once I am done, you can all return to the fierce ideological debates you know and love, comforted by the knowledge that the game works better than it ever did before.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

Thank you, though for the sake of your own administration's respectable image, I suggest reining in your vice president's tendency to hurl vitriolic tirades against people he disagrees with. The election is over, there's no need for an attack dog running mate a la Serra Paylin. Writing hit pieces in tabloids is not proper vice presidential conduct.
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« Reply #740 on: July 07, 2010, 01:34:31 AM »

I should state now for the record (as I believe I did during the campaign, though I could be mistaken) that while I find this and other Atlasian publications thoroughly amusing to read, I do not condone or endorse any of the comments found within. The views here are expressly those of Marokai and it is well within his right to rant what he may.

As I have tried to hammer in time after time, I am not concerned in the least bit with ideology over the next 4 months. My singular goal, as I stated in the campaign, will be to improve this game in a lasting and meaningful way. This means clarifying the system, streamlining and consolidating the Constitution and statutes, ensuring that the Wiki is and continues to be a solid core for the game, and building up the legitimacy of the executive branch.

By the end of my administration, I no longer want people to ask why the SoIA exists or what the Atlasian tax system looks like or when the next election is. Once I am done, you can all return to the fierce ideological debates you know and love, comforted by the knowledge that the game works better than it ever did before.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

Thank you, though for the sake of your own administration's respectable image, I suggest reining in your vice president's tendency to hurl vitriolic tirades against people he disagrees with. The election is over, there's no need for an attack dog running mate a la Serra Paylin. Writing hit pieces in tabloids is not proper vice presidential conduct.

I couldn't even rein in Marokai when I was his enemy... Tongue

I knew the risk when I chose the personalities that I did for many positions in the executive branch. At the end of the day, I care less about personality and more about competence. I can pretty easily clean up a stupid mistake if a member of my Cabinet says something insulting or does something outrageous, but I cannot complete my hefty agenda without the most competent people.

This is an internet sim and players are bound to play characters or write things they would never say aloud, but I firmly believe we can still move past personalities, just for a few months, and effect real and positive change that will make this game better over the long-term.
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« Reply #741 on: July 07, 2010, 01:44:13 AM »

I should state now for the record (as I believe I did during the campaign, though I could be mistaken) that while I find this and other Atlasian publications thoroughly amusing to read, I do not condone or endorse any of the comments found within. The views here are expressly those of Marokai and it is well within his right to rant what he may.

As I have tried to hammer in time after time, I am not concerned in the least bit with ideology over the next 4 months. My singular goal, as I stated in the campaign, will be to improve this game in a lasting and meaningful way. This means clarifying the system, streamlining and consolidating the Constitution and statutes, ensuring that the Wiki is and continues to be a solid core for the game, and building up the legitimacy of the executive branch.

By the end of my administration, I no longer want people to ask why the SoIA exists or what the Atlasian tax system looks like or when the next election is. Once I am done, you can all return to the fierce ideological debates you know and love, comforted by the knowledge that the game works better than it ever did before.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

Thank you, though for the sake of your own administration's respectable image, I suggest reining in your vice president's tendency to hurl vitriolic tirades against people he disagrees with. The election is over, there's no need for an attack dog running mate a la Serra Paylin. Writing hit pieces in tabloids is not proper vice presidential conduct.

I couldn't even rein in Marokai when I was his enemy... Tongue

I knew the risk when I chose the personalities that I did for many positions in the executive branch. At the end of the day, I care less about personality and more about competence. I can pretty easily clean up a stupid mistake if a member of my Cabinet says something insulting or does something outrageous, but I cannot complete my hefty agenda without the most competent people.

This is an internet sim and players are bound to play characters or write things they would never say aloud, but I firmly believe we can still move past personalities, just for a few months, and effect real and positive change that will make this game better over the long-term.

Yes, well it's a bit hard to take seriously the notion that your administration is interested in working fairly with me (and my party), when your No. 2 is constantly belittling us and making attack posts like the one found in this newsletter. His personality is hitherto what has prevented me from seeing us as allies working toward common goals of reform rather than as enemies. He does represent the Purple State administration, does he not?
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« Reply #742 on: July 07, 2010, 01:50:12 AM »

I should state now for the record (as I believe I did during the campaign, though I could be mistaken) that while I find this and other Atlasian publications thoroughly amusing to read, I do not condone or endorse any of the comments found within. The views here are expressly those of Marokai and it is well within his right to rant what he may.

As I have tried to hammer in time after time, I am not concerned in the least bit with ideology over the next 4 months. My singular goal, as I stated in the campaign, will be to improve this game in a lasting and meaningful way. This means clarifying the system, streamlining and consolidating the Constitution and statutes, ensuring that the Wiki is and continues to be a solid core for the game, and building up the legitimacy of the executive branch.

By the end of my administration, I no longer want people to ask why the SoIA exists or what the Atlasian tax system looks like or when the next election is. Once I am done, you can all return to the fierce ideological debates you know and love, comforted by the knowledge that the game works better than it ever did before.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

Thank you, though for the sake of your own administration's respectable image, I suggest reining in your vice president's tendency to hurl vitriolic tirades against people he disagrees with. The election is over, there's no need for an attack dog running mate a la Serra Paylin. Writing hit pieces in tabloids is not proper vice presidential conduct.

I couldn't even rein in Marokai when I was his enemy... Tongue

I knew the risk when I chose the personalities that I did for many positions in the executive branch. At the end of the day, I care less about personality and more about competence. I can pretty easily clean up a stupid mistake if a member of my Cabinet says something insulting or does something outrageous, but I cannot complete my hefty agenda without the most competent people.

This is an internet sim and players are bound to play characters or write things they would never say aloud, but I firmly believe we can still move past personalities, just for a few months, and effect real and positive change that will make this game better over the long-term.

Yes, well it's a bit hard to take seriously the notion that your administration is interested in working fairly with me (and my party), when your No. 2 is constantly belittling us and making attack posts like the one found in this newsletter. His personality is hitherto what has prevented me from seeing us as allies working toward common goals of reform rather than as enemies. He does represent the Purple State administration, does he not?

I would say it depends on the context. I certainly don't pre-approve everything the guy posts (I don't have enough time in my day to read half of what he posts Tongue).

If you ever feel like you are being unfairly maligned by Marokai, shoot me a PM and I'll look at it. To be sure, I used to feel that way too. And you will reach a point, just as we all do, at which you realize that some things are just not worth the fight. You can succumb to the pressure and lash out, or you can persevere, outlast and push through. I made my choice and I am much happier and better off for it.

Just remember, this is an internet game. Don't take it personally or it will consume you in a way that isn't healthy.
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« Reply #743 on: July 07, 2010, 02:06:24 AM »

I should state now for the record (as I believe I did during the campaign, though I could be mistaken) that while I find this and other Atlasian publications thoroughly amusing to read, I do not condone or endorse any of the comments found within. The views here are expressly those of Marokai and it is well within his right to rant what he may.

As I have tried to hammer in time after time, I am not concerned in the least bit with ideology over the next 4 months. My singular goal, as I stated in the campaign, will be to improve this game in a lasting and meaningful way. This means clarifying the system, streamlining and consolidating the Constitution and statutes, ensuring that the Wiki is and continues to be a solid core for the game, and building up the legitimacy of the executive branch.

By the end of my administration, I no longer want people to ask why the SoIA exists or what the Atlasian tax system looks like or when the next election is. Once I am done, you can all return to the fierce ideological debates you know and love, comforted by the knowledge that the game works better than it ever did before.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

Thank you, though for the sake of your own administration's respectable image, I suggest reining in your vice president's tendency to hurl vitriolic tirades against people he disagrees with. The election is over, there's no need for an attack dog running mate a la Serra Paylin. Writing hit pieces in tabloids is not proper vice presidential conduct.

I couldn't even rein in Marokai when I was his enemy... Tongue

I knew the risk when I chose the personalities that I did for many positions in the executive branch. At the end of the day, I care less about personality and more about competence. I can pretty easily clean up a stupid mistake if a member of my Cabinet says something insulting or does something outrageous, but I cannot complete my hefty agenda without the most competent people.

This is an internet sim and players are bound to play characters or write things they would never say aloud, but I firmly believe we can still move past personalities, just for a few months, and effect real and positive change that will make this game better over the long-term.

Yes, well it's a bit hard to take seriously the notion that your administration is interested in working fairly with me (and my party), when your No. 2 is constantly belittling us and making attack posts like the one found in this newsletter. His personality is hitherto what has prevented me from seeing us as allies working toward common goals of reform rather than as enemies. He does represent the Purple State administration, does he not?

I would say it depends on the context. I certainly don't pre-approve everything the guy posts (I don't have enough time in my day to read half of what he posts Tongue).

If you ever feel like you are being unfairly maligned by Marokai, shoot me a PM and I'll look at it. To be sure, I used to feel that way too. And you will reach a point, just as we all do, at which you realize that some things are just not worth the fight. You can succumb to the pressure and lash out, or you can persevere, outlast and push through. I made my choice and I am much happier and better off for it.

Just remember, this is an internet game. Don't take it personally or it will consume you in a way that isn't healthy.

Very well then, don't act surprised if I take you up on this offer.

Hopefully Marokai won't be obliged to provide me with further occasion to do so, of course. Wink
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« Reply #744 on: July 07, 2010, 05:30:10 AM »

Marokai Blue, now the Vice President of Atlasia, is still carrying on with this trashy mud-slinging by which I first became acquainted with him? And against a sitting Senator for disagreeing with his policies?

Needless to say, I expect an apology.


Maybe he'd be more open to an apology when you apologise for being mindlessly obstructionist for no good reason.
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« Reply #745 on: July 07, 2010, 01:13:20 PM »

Yeah, you re-started it ! Cheesy I'm glad to see that despite your recent "respectability" you remain the good old "fighting Blue". As usual, I 100% agree with you (sorry, I know I'm boring Tongue).

Just one advice : Stop trying to debate with libertas, it's more unhealthy than alcohol and smoke put together.
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« Reply #746 on: July 07, 2010, 06:34:51 PM »

I always felt like something was missing from my life when Marokai's rantings went away. Good to see you back. Wink
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« Reply #747 on: July 07, 2010, 07:26:51 PM »

Marokai, the right's lack of substance, I think, is due to utter frustration of constantly losing elections.

The last time there was a President truly on the right was Keystone Phil (an argument could be made for afleitch technically being "right-wing", but he didn't do anything Tongue) who was a disaster.

Look at the Senate, the right is lucky to win more than one at-large seat, and hasn't had at least 5 votes in the Senate in a long time (certainly before I arrived here).

Just my opinion.
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« Reply #748 on: July 08, 2010, 07:05:31 AM »

Marokai, the right's lack of substance, I think, is due to utter frustration of constantly losing elections.

The last time there was a President truly on the right was Keystone Phil (an argument could be made for afleitch technically being "right-wing", but he didn't do anything Tongue) who was a disaster.

Look at the Senate, the right is lucky to win more than one at-large seat, and hasn't had at least 5 votes in the Senate in a long time (certainly before I arrived here).

Just my opinion.

Actually, the right currently holds 4 Senate seats, which is an exceptional performance compared with previous senates.
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« Reply #749 on: July 08, 2010, 07:53:20 AM »

Prediction: The "corporate/militarist shill" and "rampant obstuctionist" are going to pass several pieces of legislation in the next few days.

After suitable rational amendments of course. Wink
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