Results by Northern and Southern California

[Alexander Hamilton]

2008:

Northern:

Obama: 63.91% (23 EV)
McCain: 33.8%

Southern:

Obama: 58.79% (34 EV)
McCain: 39.16%

2004:

Northern:

Kerry: 58.13% (23 EV)
Bush: 40.44%

Southern:

Kerry: 51.52% (34 EV)
Bush: 47.23%

I'm too lazy to go any further.

I did the math for my map and SoCal is much closer.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Does anyone have results for 2000?

So if SoCal were it's own state, would it be a swing state that leans Democratic?

Yes, I did the math. It would be about 52-48 Democrat.

[Alexander Hamilton]

How you determine what is "Northern" and what is "Southern" ?

On a county map of California, there's a nice line through the state.

The one Between San Bernardino-Kern-San Luis and Inyo-Tulare-Kings-Monterey ?

Yes, although Kern is a little debatable. You could put it in NorCal if you wanted to keep the Central Valley together, although there definitely are crazy people who commute from Bakersfield to LA.

There are two possible definitions, one which divides the state exactly along that line and another that puts Kern, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties in NorCal. The latter is slightly more geographically reasonable, keeping the coast and Central Valley communities together, and also making the two states more even in population, but the former looks better on a map.

You know nothing about CA.

[Alexander Hamilton]

How you determine what is "Northern" and what is "Southern" ?

On a county map of California, there's a nice line through the state.

The one Between San Bernardino-Kern-San Luis and Inyo-Tulare-Kings-Monterey ?

Yes, although Kern is a little debatable. You could put it in NorCal if you wanted to keep the Central Valley together, although there definitely are crazy people who commute from Bakersfield to LA.

There are two possible definitions, one which divides the state exactly along that line and another that puts Kern, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties in NorCal. The latter is slightly more geographically reasonable, keeping the coast and Central Valley communities together, and also making the two states more even in population, but the former looks better on a map.

You know nothing about CA.

I beg to differ. You can't come up with any reason to put Kern in SoCal except that it makes SoCal more Republican and that you like SoCal more. You had the incredibly stupid map in which the "Bay Area" included ultra-conservative counties in the northern Central Valley that had no geographic connection to the Bay at all.

Anyway, as I've said elsewhere, the best split is a three-way split, with the Central Valley as its own state.

My map was actually a geographic division based on gerrymadnering but obviously contained conservative counties due to close proximity. Kern is nothing like Northern California. Everyone is here is from Southern California, everything we do culturally is Southern Californian, our weather/climate is Southern Californian, our business is done with Southern California, we are IN Southern California and belong in a state different from the Bay Area should CA be split.

[Alexander Hamilton]

How you determine what is "Northern" and what is "Southern" ?

On a county map of California, there's a nice line through the state.

The one Between San Bernardino-Kern-San Luis and Inyo-Tulare-Kings-Monterey ?

Yes, although Kern is a little debatable. You could put it in NorCal if you wanted to keep the Central Valley together, although there definitely are crazy people who commute from Bakersfield to LA.

There are two possible definitions, one which divides the state exactly along that line and another that puts Kern, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties in NorCal. The latter is slightly more geographically reasonable, keeping the coast and Central Valley communities together, and also making the two states more even in population, but the former looks better on a map.

You know nothing about CA.

I don't see what's so wrong with what he said. Kern County is definitely more a part of the central valley than Socal and it would make sense to keep the valley together. I disagree with him about SLO and SB though. Although they are coastal counties, they identify much more with LA than they do with any other area and thus should be in any Socal state, especially SB.

He suggested Kern being placed in Northern CA. Fresno is debatable, but Kern is definitely Southern. A Valley state, sure it could include Kern, but not a Northern-Southern split.

[Alexander Hamilton]

San Benito?

I was going to say the same thing.

The eastern part that is.

Anyway. If a partition of California was to occur, it would best be Bay Area and the rest of the state.

That wouldn't make sense.

Why not? CA Politics is basically Bay Area vs the Rest of CA.

     I think that the political consensus between Los Angeles & the entire Northeastern quadrant of the state is rather limited.

All 12 of the people there?

[Alexander Hamilton]

San Benito?

I was going to say the same thing.

The eastern part that is.

Anyway. If a partition of California was to occur, it would best be Bay Area and the rest of the state.

That wouldn't make sense.

Why not? CA Politics is basically Bay Area vs the Rest of CA.

     I think that the political consensus between Los Angeles & the entire Northeastern quadrant of the state is rather limited.

All 12 of the people there?

Maybe not by California standards, but there are a decent number of people living near Tahoe. I don't think they have much in common with LA or San Diego.

And they do with the Bay?