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Last time it would have mattered is 1988. Dukakis wins Northern California, but gets destroyed in the South. Carter '76 also wins NorCal, with some weird places. Ditto for Humphrey in '68, which makes Nixon's victory very close. Kennedy wins in the North as well.

The central valley used to be a key part of the democratic constituency in California, which can seem pretty weird these days. It makes sense since it is a populist part of the country and it is not surprising that Carter did well there. Today the democrats don't need to win there to win the state, but they usually carry it when they win landslide victories in the state just like Obama did.

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How you determine what is "Northern" and what is "Southern" ?

On a county map of California, there's a nice line through the state.

The one Between San Bernardino-Kern-San Luis and Inyo-Tulare-Kings-Monterey ?

Yes, although Kern is a little debatable. You could put it in NorCal if you wanted to keep the Central Valley together, although there definitely are crazy people who commute from Bakersfield to LA.

There are two possible definitions, one which divides the state exactly along that line and another that puts Kern, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties in NorCal. The latter is slightly more geographically reasonable, keeping the coast and Central Valley communities together, and also making the two states more even in population, but the former looks better on a map.

You know nothing about CA.

I don't see what's so wrong with what he said. Kern County is definitely more a part of the central valley than Socal and it would make sense to keep the valley together. I disagree with him about SLO and SB though. Although they are coastal counties, they identify much more with LA than they do with any other area and thus should be in any Socal state, especially SB.

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How you determine what is "Northern" and what is "Southern" ?

On a county map of California, there's a nice line through the state.

The one Between San Bernardino-Kern-San Luis and Inyo-Tulare-Kings-Monterey ?

Yes, although Kern is a little debatable. You could put it in NorCal if you wanted to keep the Central Valley together, although there definitely are crazy people who commute from Bakersfield to LA.

There are two possible definitions, one which divides the state exactly along that line and another that puts Kern, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties in NorCal. The latter is slightly more geographically reasonable, keeping the coast and Central Valley communities together, and also making the two states more even in population, but the former looks better on a map.

You know nothing about CA.

I don't see what's so wrong with what he said. Kern County is definitely more a part of the central valley than Socal and it would make sense to keep the valley together. I disagree with him about SLO and SB though. Although they are coastal counties, they identify much more with LA than they do with any other area and thus should be in any Socal state, especially SB.

He suggested Kern being placed in Northern CA. Fresno is debatable, but Kern is definitely Southern. A Valley state, sure it could include Kern, but not a Northern-Southern split.

I think he had a valid point that the valley should be kept together. In reality it doesn't matter that much. In my opinion Kern should be part of Socal and so should Tulare and Kings.

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San Benito?

I was going to say the same thing.

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San Benito?

I was going to say the same thing.

The eastern part that is.

Anyway. If a partition of California was to occur, it would best be Bay Area and the rest of the state.

That wouldn't make sense.

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San Benito?

I was going to say the same thing.

The eastern part that is.

Anyway. If a partition of California was to occur, it would best be Bay Area and the rest of the state.

That wouldn't make sense.

Why not? CA Politics is basically Bay Area vs the Rest of CA.

     I think that the political consensus between Los Angeles & the entire Northeastern quadrant of the state is rather limited.

All 12 of the people there?

Maybe not by California standards, but there are a decent number of people living near Tahoe. I don't think they have much in common with LA or San Diego.

And they do with the Bay?

Umm yeah.... Everything in life doesn't have to be based on how many percentage points their county gave to the democrats or republicans.

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San Benito?

I was going to say the same thing.

The eastern part that is.

Anyway. If a partition of California was to occur, it would best be Bay Area and the rest of the state.

That wouldn't make sense.

Why not? CA Politics is basically Bay Area vs the Rest of CA.

As I said to Hamilton, politics isn't everything. Regardless if the divisions should just be on political lines, shouldn't it be the bay and LA vs the rest of the state?