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« on: August 11, 2009, 07:56:35 PM »

(Basically this time line is, beginning in 2012, go through to the 2050s outlining a scenario in which the US turns into a de facto one-party state in the early 2030s. I did my dissertation on the Nazi coordination of the Lander in the spring of 1933, and I want to do my own version of this with historical echoes, but eschewing any historical parallels. And include a lot of elections. The main character is fictional, and I created him for this role. )

Even more than six decades after the Progressive regime fell in the United States any effort to reach a historical judgment  on the two decades of Progressive rule is more likely to land one in controversy than fruitful discussion. Were the Progressives a group of opportunistic charlatans who took advantage of public frustrations and the chaos of the early 21st century to institute a fascist regime? Or were they a group of concerned citizens who sent the corrupt politicians home, and for two decades kept America aloft from the currents that were plunging the rest of the world to anarchy. The answer as with all things is a little both. Any real discussion of the Progressive Era must begin with the state of America ten years into the new century..........

Excerpt from Twilight of the Republic: A New History of America 2015-2101
Published University of Colorado Press Denver 2108

The widespread celebration with which Barrack Obama's victory had been initially met with soon turned to frustration as the Administration manifestly failed to advance any significant elements of its economic agenda. This failure, more so than the economic crisis, served to destroy democratic moral. The economic crisis could shift votes in the center, what few there were even this early, but the failures of 2009 should have come as a warning. The defeat of Jon Corzine of New Jersey was not unexpected, but the margin by which the GOP won the Governor's race in Virginia presaged disaster to come.

The loss in 2010 of 24 House Seats, and 2 Senate seats was nevertheless a blow, if a softer one than the loss of six governorships. Ironically, one bright spot was in the state of Massachusetts, where a 26 year old Republican, Michael Walton defeated Deval Patrick for reelection. Few suspected at the time that Massachusetts, which had been cut off from the national currents of politics by perceived liberalism had hosted the most important race in the country.

Walton's background was uniquely interesting. He had served as an Assistant to National Security Adviser under President George W. Bush, helping to save Iceland from financial bankruptcy as well as helping to negotiate the agreement ending the War in Georgia. He had subsequently quit in disputes in how the Tarp money was spent. He had entered the race after Charles Baker declined to run, and had mostly come up the middle while incumbent Deval Patrick and his independent challenger Tim Cahill savaged one another.

His behavior in office was decidedly low-key, and for most of his first two years in office deferred to the legislature. In fact he did so to such an extent that House Speaker Robert DeLeo remarked to one of his aides that he was easiest person to get along with in the country. The aide, who had known Mr. Walton for some time responded that "he is the most dangerous man in the country." Who knows how history would have occurred had he taken that advice.

Most attention was not on Boston at this point or its new Governor. It was at the national level where an embattled President Obama dealt with one problem after another. A minor economic recovery was more than counteracted by a coup in Iran in which Mojitiba Khamenei was selected to succeed his father by an Assembly of Experts a third of whom's members were under arrest. The decision by the Netanyahu government, trapped in a difficult reelection campaign to launch an ineffective missile strike on Iran raised international tensions.

Obama looked doomed for reelection entering 2012, but he was saved by the Republicans. The GOP, after divisive primaries picked an uninspiring Mitt Romney, who was forced to select Jim Demint of South Carolina as his running mate. Even this 2nd-tier ticket led Obama for a time, but in August revelations came out about links between senior Romney aides and a Boot Camp in Utah where four teenagers died. Further revelations revealed that the candidate himself had intervened to help an old friend avoid prosecution. In the midst of these revelations Romney held on until leaked emails  turned up directly implicating him in the coverup. He was forced to drop out prior to the convention which selected Demint to replace him.

DeMint made an effort to move to the center, even offering to name Charlie Crist as his running-mate, but the ideological incoherence of the ticket made it borderline unelectable. In a close but decisive election Obama won a second term.



Obama 318 51%
DeMint  220 47%

Few would suspect that this was the worst thing that possibly could have happened to the Democrats, who had lost five senate seats along with Obama's win, along with a further 9 House seats.

Senate 2013
Democrats 52
Republicans 47
Independents 1

House
Democrats 225
Republicans 211
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 07:57:20 PM »


No one noticed that in Massachusetts, where the Governor had quietly been recruiting candidates, the Republicans picked up 5 House Seats and One Senate seat. Nor did they notice that Governor, having unlocked vast amounts of money by abolishing educational mandates such as technology funding and giving out the money in direct grants to schools, had basically managed to unlock a massive source of revenue in the midst of a downturn. The inoffensive governor, whose major achievement had been to solve the secondary school funding crisis(and to realize that no one cared about state universities) had a popularity rating of 86%.

Most observers were too wrapped up in the disasters that followed. In spring of 2013 the new Iranian regime assassinated former President Khatami, living in Bethesda Maryland under the noses of the CIA, while that summer civil unrest broke out in Kazakhstan against the decision of Nursultan Nazarbayev to run for an additional term. As disorder spread, Obama attempted to mediate the dispute to no end, partially because he ruled out intervention. But intervention was not ruled out by all factions. On September 21st, seven Chinese divisions totaling 128,000 men moved in and occupied the country. Russia with Chinese acquiescence also occupied a border zone in the Russian inhabited area in the north.

The failure to do anything to protest, was met when shocks hit the oil market, killing the economic recovery in its tracks, with effects being exacerbated by civil war in Venezuela.

This led into a disastrous 2014. Politicians were in many cases terrified to hold townhalls, protests were rampant, and when a Vice President of Goldman Sachs was beaten to death walking to his car, internet groups sprung up to sing the assailants praises.

The Democrats in the 2014 elections suffered some of their greatest losses since 1893. They lost 54 House seats and eleven senate seats, losing control of both chambers, the House by a lopsided margin.

The most interesting result was in Massachusetts, where Governor Walton had left the GOP to form an Independent Progressive Party, founded around denouncing Governmental bureaucracy, and accusing both Republicans and Democrats of selling out the country. He won reelection with 67% of the vote, while his Lt. Governor, Ralph Martin in an upset defeated Senator John Kerry 50-49. In a shocking turnaround it won 46 seats in the state House and 11 in the senate.

State House
Democrats 107
Progressives 46
Republicans  9

Senate
Democrats 27
Progressives 11
Republicans  2

The greatest shock came after the election when Governor Walton called a leading liberal Democrat in and offered him the votes of the Progressives for the Speaker-ship in order to arrest it from the Democratic leadership. In the resulting coup, the House, while nominally still
under Democratic control, was for all practical purposes under the control of the Progressives. As local Democratic organizations retaliated against the "Rebels", the Progressive caucus grew by the the end of 2015 to 59.

At the same time the Progressives, increasingly began organizing outside of campaigns. What began as a tame campaign in 2014, by the beginning of 2016 had transformed into holding rallies where investment bankers as well as national politicians both Democratic and Republican were burned in effigy. A famous exultation of the the "Three Treasons" became a byword.

They were:

1. Democrats , who in their earnestness to prove broadmindedness were too broadminded to take their own side in a quarrel. In the process thy sold out their country and their culture.

2.That of Republicans who wasted money and lives on adventures of ego. All the while they looted the country for their financial masters.

3. The media, newsmen, and consultants who have gorged themselves on the national lifeblood and corrupted politics to a spectacle.

The Progressives promised to end partisan politics, politics as a spectacle, to punish the "bloodsuckers".

It remained to be seen whether they would consolidate power in Massachusetts or spread outside its borders.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 08:05:02 PM »

Excellent; fabulously done.

I did my dissertation on the Nazi coordination of the Lander in the spring of 1933.

Now I want to read it. Sad
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 09:05:21 PM »

This is gonna be a fun TL, I can tell...but this is going to suck so hard for the American People, let alone People in general.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 09:17:05 PM »

Well things will tend to get worse. Never anywhere near as bad as in Germany mind you, but the Progressives are very upset people, and as is often the case when your political enemies are viewed as traitors, not particularly tolerant.

The next one should be up tomorrow which will give the Republicans a chance to try and make sense of the national situation, while we will get to see how the Progressives consolidate themselves at the state level.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 09:20:44 PM »

Well things will tend to get worse. Never anywhere near as bad as in Germany mind you, but the Progressives are very upset people, and as is often the case when your political enemies are viewed as traitors, not particularly tolerant.

The next one should be up tomorrow which will give the Republicans a chance to try and make sense of the national situation, while we will get to see how the Progressives consolidate themselves at the state level.

What do the Progressives generally believe?
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2009, 09:39:06 PM »

This is good, keep it up
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2009, 10:32:32 PM »

Well things will tend to get worse. Never anywhere near as bad as in Germany mind you, but the Progressives are very upset people, and as is often the case when your political enemies are viewed as traitors, not particularly tolerant.

The next one should be up tomorrow which will give the Republicans a chance to try and make sense of the national situation, while we will get to see how the Progressives consolidate themselves at the state level.

What do the Progressives generally believe?

Left-wing Populist on Economics: Basically believe that international finance is a pyramid scheme, and that it was short term opportunism on the part of the national political leadership that led to most of the West including the US allowing manufacturing to be replaced with Goldman Sachs as the driver of the economy.

Basically they would favor not only bailing out the auto industry but massively subsidizing it as well as supporting protection. They accept that these are "inefficient" but feel that they are not economic but national issues and that the national interest is served from self-sufficiency. Those who focused on finance left the country exposed and at the mercy of the rest of the world, and created a system that lets a few profit.

This is not Marxist. More Bismarckian nationalism, with a touch of lynch-mob mentality thrown in as well.

Socially Far-Right - well sort of: They are starting out in Massachusetts so no direct attacks on Gay Rights as of yet, but there is attacks on the "culture of intellectualism" which they think caused intellectual fads which led to the above economic problems as well as their view that liberals care far too much about the rights of criminals, foreigners, not enough about Americans. They would find Kwanzaa celebrations in schools stupid, bans on school prayer PC running amok, and the closest they come to normal religious social conservatism, the view that a "cult of the individual" is corrupting society.

Also they view the media as parsital, not so much biased as encouraging the worst in people. politics as a sports game.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2009, 12:44:56 AM »

I'm intrigued, excellent writing. Keep it up!
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2009, 08:57:54 AM »

Interesting timeline Dan, I've always though a Severe Economic Crisis coupled with a huge Populist movement would lead the United States down the slippery sloap of Facisim. Keep it comming.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2009, 09:45:01 AM »

Well things will tend to get worse. Never anywhere near as bad as in Germany mind you, but the Progressives are very upset people, and as is often the case when your political enemies are viewed as traitors, not particularly tolerant.

The next one should be up tomorrow which will give the Republicans a chance to try and make sense of the national situation, while we will get to see how the Progressives consolidate themselves at the state level.

What do the Progressives generally believe?

Left-wing Populist on Economics: Basically believe that international finance is a pyramid scheme, and that it was short term opportunism on the part of the national political leadership that led to most of the West including the US allowing manufacturing to be replaced with Goldman Sachs as the driver of the economy.

Basically they would favor not only bailing out the auto industry but massively subsidizing it as well as supporting protection. They accept that these are "inefficient" but feel that they are not economic but national issues and that the national interest is served from self-sufficiency. Those who focused on finance left the country exposed and at the mercy of the rest of the world, and created a system that lets a few profit.

This is not Marxist. More Bismarckian nationalism, with a touch of lynch-mob mentality thrown in as well.

Socially Far-Right - well sort of: They are starting out in Massachusetts so no direct attacks on Gay Rights as of yet, but there is attacks on the "culture of intellectualism" which they think caused intellectual fads which led to the above economic problems as well as their view that liberals care far too much about the rights of criminals, foreigners, not enough about Americans. They would find Kwanzaa celebrations in schools stupid, bans on school prayer PC running amok, and the closest they come to normal religious social conservatism, the view that a "cult of the individual" is corrupting society.

Also they view the media as parsital, not so much biased as encouraging the worst in people. politics as a sports game.

So, they are, in a way, nationalist socialist?
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 12:57:31 PM »

Well things will tend to get worse. Never anywhere near as bad as in Germany mind you, but the Progressives are very upset people, and as is often the case when your political enemies are viewed as traitors, not particularly tolerant.

The next one should be up tomorrow which will give the Republicans a chance to try and make sense of the national situation, while we will get to see how the Progressives consolidate themselves at the state level.

What do the Progressives generally believe?

Left-wing Populist on Economics: Basically believe that international finance is a pyramid scheme, and that it was short term opportunism on the part of the national political leadership that led to most of the West including the US allowing manufacturing to be replaced with Goldman Sachs as the driver of the economy.

Basically they would favor not only bailing out the auto industry but massively subsidizing it as well as supporting protection. They accept that these are "inefficient" but feel that they are not economic but national issues and that the national interest is served from self-sufficiency. Those who focused on finance left the country exposed and at the mercy of the rest of the world, and created a system that lets a few profit.

This is not Marxist. More Bismarckian nationalism, with a touch of lynch-mob mentality thrown in as well.

Socially Far-Right - well sort of: They are starting out in Massachusetts so no direct attacks on Gay Rights as of yet, but there is attacks on the "culture of intellectualism" which they think caused intellectual fads which led to the above economic problems as well as their view that liberals care far too much about the rights of criminals, foreigners, not enough about Americans. They would find Kwanzaa celebrations in schools stupid, bans on school prayer PC running amok, and the closest they come to normal religious social conservatism, the view that a "cult of the individual" is corrupting society.

Also they view the media as parsital, not so much biased as encouraging the worst in people. politics as a sports game.

So, they are, in a way, nationalist socialist?

Pretty much, and would probably use that name if not for the unfortunate connotations. Some of their positions(attacks on finance) can be seen as anti-Semitic and attract support, and as will be seen in the 2020 Presidential Race, they definitely benefit from it, but they are not racial. Its more cultural.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 01:03:39 PM »

Well things will tend to get worse. Never anywhere near as bad as in Germany mind you, but the Progressives are very upset people, and as is often the case when your political enemies are viewed as traitors, not particularly tolerant.

The next one should be up tomorrow which will give the Republicans a chance to try and make sense of the national situation, while we will get to see how the Progressives consolidate themselves at the state level.

What do the Progressives generally believe?

Left-wing Populist on Economics: Basically believe that international finance is a pyramid scheme, and that it was short term opportunism on the part of the national political leadership that led to most of the West including the US allowing manufacturing to be replaced with Goldman Sachs as the driver of the economy.

Basically they would favor not only bailing out the auto industry but massively subsidizing it as well as supporting protection. They accept that these are "inefficient" but feel that they are not economic but national issues and that the national interest is served from self-sufficiency. Those who focused on finance left the country exposed and at the mercy of the rest of the world, and created a system that lets a few profit.

This is not Marxist. More Bismarckian nationalism, with a touch of lynch-mob mentality thrown in as well.

Socially Far-Right - well sort of: They are starting out in Massachusetts so no direct attacks on Gay Rights as of yet, but there is attacks on the "culture of intellectualism" which they think caused intellectual fads which led to the above economic problems as well as their view that liberals care far too much about the rights of criminals, foreigners, not enough about Americans. They would find Kwanzaa celebrations in schools stupid, bans on school prayer PC running amok, and the closest they come to normal religious social conservatism, the view that a "cult of the individual" is corrupting society.

Also they view the media as parsital, not so much biased as encouraging the worst in people. politics as a sports game.

So, they are, in a way, nationalist socialist?

Pretty much, and would probably use that name if not for the unfortunate connotations. Some of their positions(attacks on finance) can be seen as anti-Semitic and attract support, and as will be seen in the 2020 Presidential Race, they definitely benefit from it, but they are not racial. Its more cultural.

So, its not phenotypical, but still "ethnic".
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 05:09:27 PM »

Most concerns however about the Progressives were limited to Democratic campaign staffers and officials in Massachusetts who were forced to increasingly confront them. Outside the state, the 'Popular Reformist" Governor was seen as a model of an effective leader, especially in contrast to the hapless administration. Talk was rampant that he might be a potentially strong candidate for President in 2020.

At the moment however, attention was mainly focused on the 2016 Presidential race. With Obama unpopular the Republican nomination seemed a guaranteed ticket to the White House. As such it attracted a large number of candidates, eager to take the battle to the unpopular Democrats.

Foremost among them was China Ambassador Jon Huntsman. Huntsman was an attractive candidate, but hobbled by an association with Obama as well as his policies of "appeasement" towards China. His moderate issue positions were not necessarily an asset either. While Huntsman argued that the lesson of the 2012 campaign was that no matter how unpopular the Democrats, the Republicans needed an electable candidate, there was a general feeling that any Republican with a pulse would win.

Challenging him on the Right therefore was Former Texas Governor Rick Perry, one of the runner-ups in the 2012 campaign, as well as House Speaker Mike Pence of Indiana.  Senator Pat Toomey of Pennslyvania also ran, as did another moderate, California Governor Tom Campbell. Campbell should have taken off, and he had the media backing to do so, but the lack of an issue, and poorly run campaign resulted in him largely fading in the early primaries.

On the Democratic side, Vice President Joe Biden did not wish particularly to run, nor did he expect to win. The Obama mantel was mainly taken up by Senator Alex Gianoulias of Illinois and Senator Amy Klobaucher of Minnesota. Secretary of State Clinton decided not to run, lending her support to Former Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio. Senator Feingold of Wisconsin ran primarily a liberal anti-establishment candidate.

Initial Polls were close but saw Campbell and Huntsman on top nationally, and Klobaucher in the lead for the Democrats.

National Poll September 2015
Huntsman 21%
Campbell  15%
Pence      11%
Perry         9%
Toomey    7%

When Iowa came however, Pence pulled off a surprise victory over Huntsman, momentum he carried into New Hampshire, where Perry, who had come third had no organization.  The result was that most of Toomey's and Perry's support went to Pence, allowing him to eek out a narrow win. This gave him sufficient momentum going into South Carolina to place narrowly ahead of Perry.

Campbell now dropped out as Super Tuesday as did Toomey, who chose to run for reelection instead. Super Tuesday took on a liberal v. Conservative showdown between the Pence and Huntsman in the north and Pence and Perry in the south. The odd question was what was going to happen in New England, where Michael Walton's new United Progressive Party was fielding candidates  outside of the region. Huntsman had suggested as part of his campaign that the Progressives were a sign of why the GOP needed to re-engage. Pence on the other hand said that it made sense for there to be regional diversity and in the interest of beating Democrats he was open to the GOP not fielding candidates in Massachusetts at all and perhaps in the rest of New England.

Huntsman would have been helped enormously by a Walton endorsement which was not forthcoming, thought the Governor spoke approvingly of some of his views. Without a party apparatus, and with the GOP a rump Conservative shell this put him at a huge disadvantage

The results on Super Tuesday were initially close in the popular vote, but Pence managed to beat Perry in Georgia, Missouri, and Tennessee while he managed to win in a shock upset Massachusetts, Minnesota and California. Huntsman won Nevada, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey and the Western states. While this kept Huntsman alive, it also led to an organized stop Huntsman movement his which aided his losses over the next week in Virginia, Louisiana and Kansas and Wisconsin.

The end result was a situation in which Huntsman led narrowly in delegates but was far below the number needed for the nomination.

End of Primaries
Huntsman  712
Pence        598
Perry         399
Campbell     29
Unpledged   202

The result was that the almost certain victory for the Republicans was derailed by infighting. Huntsman, who declared himself the presumptive victor, found his campaign events disrupted by Perry supporters who scream, throw objects at the stage and on several occasions force the cancellation of events. Pence, on the other hand, found it next to impossible to raise money, and himself shunned. Perry, who began ranting against Washington establishment Republicans hit both, but concentrated on Huntsman.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2009, 05:09:48 PM »


In the meantime both Klobaucher and Alex Gianoulias failed to get off the ground. They found that their links to the administration were a weakness, both against Strickland who ran as an "old-line" democrat, and Feingold, who ran against the Administration labeling it a failure. in Iowa the race shifted to between the two of them when Feingold took first, only to win New Hampshire a week later. Strickland, who of the cuff suggested that it was hostility to a stereotype of a giveaway to black welfare queens that doomed any prospect of health reform, found his support in South Carolina evaporate giving a win to Feingold. Feingold then swept most of the South and New England on Super Tuesday, wrapping up the nomination, then as a warning sign he performed extremely badly among working class white voters. In an effort to counteract this he picked West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin as a running-mate.

At least the Democrats had a nominee. The Republican convention was a highly watched spectacle in which Huntsman was prevented from speaking, and the platform committee, controlled by Perry and Pence delegates put forward a far right platform declaring in economics that government had zero role in the economy, that they were in favor of a constitutional amendment banning both abortion and gay marriage, as well as stating that support for civil unions is incompatible with the principles of the party. The party leadership attempted to convince the candidates to withdraw, and after Huntsman won 811 votes on the first ballot, but only mustered 809 on the second, he agreed to withdraw. Before he could do so however, Perry threw his support to Pence, giving him 1011 votes on the third ballot and the nomination in exchange for the VP position.

Both parties had nominees, but at the price of massive damage to the prestige of the system. Optimism for a new Republican President was gone. Whereas generic polls had shown a massive Republican lead seven months earlier, they now showed a near dead heat. Worse, both candidates were deeply unpopular. The entry that summer of former Senator Jim Webb of Virginia on a populist platform demonstrated this and by the fall he was polling close to 20% in polls. He named former Florida Senator Ben Nelson, who had been unemployed since 2013 as his running mate.

Generic Ballot  November 2015
Republican      55%
Democrat        29%

Rassmussen September 9th 2016

Pence/Perry   43%
Feingold/Manchin 32%
Webb/Nelson        19%

Favorable
Pence  42/49
Feingold 39/45
Webb     29/31

The campaign was desultory, with Pence denouncing statism at home and weakness abroad, and promising to do, well nothing at home and far more abroad. Feingold promised to do more at home but was vague on how, and his promises of health care rang hollow after eight years of Obama. Webb promised a new deal to restore manufacturing, to build a country our children could be proud of. It was platitudes, but they were angry platitudes, and people liked hearing that.

Michael Walton, who had stayed out of the primaries, suggested he would probably vote for Webb, and the United Progressive Party put up a full slate of candidates for Congress in Massachusetts. In a way, the elections there were more interesting in the country at large as the first real battle for the legislature since the 1950s was fought fiercely, on occasion with more than words. State Attorney General Walker Berman, appointed by Governor Walton following Martha Coakley's election to the senate in 2011, seemed disturbingly zealousness in containing members of the Progressive "Patriots" volunteer corp. Officially a social group, one of its major social pastimes seemed to be disrupting Democratic events.

That said, most people in Massachusetts were pleased with the performance of their state government. The state had attempted to recover money from Betchel for the Big Dig, and when the company proved reluctant, Governor Walton had threatened to cancel their remaining state contracts and cease payments. While this led to outrage in the legislature, and to a State Supreme Court order demanding the Governor pay, it allowed Walton to defy the Supreme Judicial Court, declaring that "Justice Marshall has made her decision, now let her write a check." Standing to lose billions Betchel gave in, reaching a compromise under which it would pay the state 900 million.

The Governor also took advantage of Harvard's difficulties to move a bill to tax endowments for Universities that totaled over 3 billion at 7.5%, half the capital gains rate. Harvard's endowment had fallen below its historical value during the recession which prevented the school from withdrawing any money from it, and had appealed to the state for a bailout along with MIT and Northeastern. Even though Harvard was able to find outside donors,Governor Walton denounced Harvard elitism and the "refusal of those who have benefited most and will benefit most from the state to pay their fair share".

As a result, the state's fiscal problems largely seemed to have been solved. Therefore, even without any sort of intimidation it was likely that the Progressives would win a majority. In fact, the success even convinced the Party to field candidates in Maine, Rhode Island and Connecticut. The scope of their victory shocked however, and was partly explainable by the defection of many old-line machine Democrats. The legislative results were

State House
Progressives 97
Democrats     61
Republicans     2

State Senate
Progressives 22
Democrats   17
Republicans   1

Furthermore, 5 of the states' nine Democratic congressman lost their seats, aided by the decision of the GOP not to field candidates. In fact, for 200 seats in the legislature, the GOP fielded only 11 candidates total. In Connecticut, Progressives won 18 State house seats and three Senate seats. In Rhode Island they won 10 House Seats and 3 Senate seats.

At the national level this was met with pleasure rather than worry by most Republicans overjoyed to see the Democrats struggling in their home turf. Determined to build on this lucky break, they began to make plans on how they would aid the Progressives in wresting the rest of New England from the Democrats.

They perhaps should have been concerned that their own performance was nothing to brag about/ Mike Pence was elected in a boring election that drew the participation of only 119 million voters, a massive drop-off from the previous two elections. The Republicans stalled, losing 2 Senate seats and gaining three House Seats.



Pence/Perry 345 44%
Feingold/Manchin 34%
Webb/Nelson       21%

Webb failed to carry a single state, though he got 34% in Arkansas and surprisingly, or not given local politics, got 35% in Massachusetts.

The question now that was on the lips of most Americans was whether or not Mike Pence could save the country.  This however, was not universal. In an office in Boston five men met in a room make plans for two years hence, plans whereby they would complete their political domination of the State of Massachusetts and perhaps, if they were lucky, bring the same Progress they had brought to the state to the rest of the country.

Next: One Party State - Massachusetts' 2018 Elections and the Fate of New England.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2009, 05:10:50 PM »

As might be inferred, the Republicans are about to make a massive mistake over the next two cycles.
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2009, 06:09:13 PM »

Working on it now? Can we have a resistance starting by the late 2020s?
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2009, 08:12:53 PM »

Working on it now? Can we have a resistance starting by the late 2020s?

Well they won't be in office nationally until around that time, and there will be opposition, though it takes a while to organize.

A note on Progressive organization. While at this point it still is a bit of a hybrid, by the early 2020s it is not a political party in the same sense the Democrats and Republicans are; there are no primaries, all candidate selection right down to the municipal level comes from the top. This is one of the selling points. Candidates are not obsessed with pandering to their districts or engaging in pork, or worried about challenges. On the other hand, if you vote against the party without permission anything, you will be deselected, and people will be very unhappy with you, which post-2019 tends to be bad for your health and career prospects in Massachusetts and increasingly else-ware. As a result, there is little "politics" going on, and they are able to claim that if you vote for them they will actually deliver, whereas both the Democrats and Republicans are incapable of governing. This becomes important later when they gain enough seats in Congress to hold the balance of power, and they follow orders from Boston as a block.

All of these things in better times would be warning signs. But where the political process is failing, a centralized, politician-less organization that's sole goal is to implement its agenda is mighty attractive.

Anyway, for a preview of the 2018 state elections in Massachusetts and the after party that follows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirts_%28Southern_United_States%29
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2009, 08:49:56 PM »

So, its a bull-dozer type of thing? How does technology do under their iron fist? When will you make the 2018 thing? I just can't wait.
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2009, 12:09:10 AM »

This timeline is like an exquisitely aesthetically pleasing train wreck. It's excellent. Please post an update soon.
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2009, 12:33:09 PM »

This timeline is like an exquisitely aesthetically pleasing train wreck. It's excellent. Please post an update soon.

I hope we can side stories about it.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2009, 02:24:39 PM »
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In the background of their takeover of the state, Progressives had also infiltrated many of the other institutions where organization counted, prominent amongst them the teachers unions. Already popular with teachers for giving them control of education spending by abolishing mandates, Governor Walton promised that one of the spoils of victory would be proper recognition of their role.

Therefore, one of the first moves of the new legislature was to pass an education reform act. While the act had significant sections, the major ones were an extension of  the principle of card check to education, requiring every employee involved in a teaching position in the state to join a teachers union. The extension of this and curricula control to private schools led to cries of outrage, but it was the final push needed for the Massachusetts Teachers Association to elect and all-Progressive board in 2017.

Furthermore, it limited complaints from generally left-leaning teachers over the new curriculum, which in the field of history, was described as a "bitter old man's" history of the United States. McCarthy was held up as  man, who if excessive, targeted individuals who were not just intellectual Communists but Stalinists, and posited they were lucky to get off with only blacklisting given what they would have done had the sides been reversed. It focused on KGB funding of the counterculture, and suggested that the US had won the Vietnam war by 1972, only for congress to sell out. Lest Conservatives be too pleased, it defined Neo-Conservatism as growing out of the New Left, and suggested that the modern Conservative movement from the 1980s onwards was "Marxist", defining that word as belief in a dialectic and rejection of objective truth and went as far as to include Jeffrey Sachs and Arthur Laffer along with Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, and Alfred Kinsey under the segment, "Ideas Kill".

Outrage over the curriculum was mostly muted due to concern over the segment requiring 200 hours with a community organization. The definition was coded, and required the organization to be "civically minded" "engaged in the public sphere" and left the definition up to the state. While theoretically anyone could apply for funding, only one non-charity was approved, which was the "Patriots" corp. Given a choice between rock climbing, camping, and going to shooting rangers(or disrupting Democratic meetings), or helping the elderly at hospitals, many made the obvious choice.

Democrats on the Joint Finance Committee protested that the Progressives were funding their own Youth program to the tune of 180 million. Protests that were swept aside, as were complaints that children of Democratic officeholders, or ones active in Democratic politics were facing a spate of violence at school. Governor Walton denounced violence, but said "Boys will be boys, and this government stands strongly opposed to bullying of any sort in schools. But bullying in schools is as old as the Universe". However in response to claims that high school aged "Patriots" had smashed the house and car windows of the editor of the Lowell Sun, and set his shed on fire, he urged the legislature to pass a special law on political offenses that set up a special prosecutorial authority under the Attorney General's office with sole jurisdiction. Critics complained that it generally released "Patriots" while cracking down hard on the Democratic clubs that were being formed for defense. After fighting broke out at Democratic rally for a November State Senate Special Election, resulting in 15 people being hospitalized. However, of the 23 arrested only 8 were charged, of whom all but one were Democrats. The one "Patriot" was sentenced to 80 hours community service in a civiclly minded organization.

At the same time, a bill requiring that ballot petitions be publicly displayed in town halls caused massive controversy. The campaign of low intimidation by the 'Patriots" combined with pressure from employers all but destroyed the Democratic party's infrastructure. It became increasingly difficult to get candidates to run or get those who were willing to on the ballot, and the party increasingly began running students, as more established individuals steered clear of politics.

At the national level, rather than worried by these developments, President Pence and Vice President Perry were pleased. With midterms which would determine redistricting coming up, and the GOP unpopular in the Midwest and New England, it was obvious who they preferred to have in power between the Democrats and a third party whose major pastime seemed to be beating them up. But there ambitions went further than that. Pence's own election had confirmed to him that even an unpopular Republican could win if the opposition was suitably split, and if the Progressives could be given a permanent hold on the Northeast and enough of the Midwest not just in local elections but in Presidential ones, it would become impossible for the Democrats to win the Presidency. The plan of the White House was therefore to do whatever it could to help the Progressives benefit from its own popularity instead of the Democrats. This was to find form in 2018, in the White House bullying strong candidates out of the Gubernatorial and Congressional races in New England, and eventually when a GOP victory appeared impossible, de facto backing Progressive candidates in the Midwest. If worst came to worst, the Federal government could intervene after the elections to save the people.

Of course domestic issues were farthest from the mind of the administration for much of 2017. America's world position had declined, not so much due to unpopularity, but of disengagement. The Chinese invasion of Kazakhstan had redirected anger in the Muslim world, and the Chinese rapidly began to face suicide attacks. In effort to locate opposition leaders, they stormed the Nur Mosque in Astana, where a crowd had gathered, and in a horribly mangled operation, ended up with 713 dead. Anger swept the Muslim world as thousands of volunteers poured in. The US, divided between hostility to Islamic Fundamentalists and hostility to China got dragged in to providing arms by way of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia whilst Israel was providing technical advise to the Chinese, who by the fall had lost more than 700 soldiers to attacks.

As for the Saudis, their country was an armed camp. To make matters worse, a mysterious blind preacher who his followers were referring to as the Mahdi was gaining wide popularity. He preached opposition to the occupation of Muslim lands, but also urged Muslims not to reject civilization, and reminded listeners that Democracy was part of Islam. After all the first four Caliphs were elected, and even most Sunnis should see the Ummayed's as usurpers who had plundered the treasure others had won. His humble manner won him vast numbers of followers despite Saudi efforts to locate him.

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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2009, 02:28:31 PM »
« Edited: August 13, 2009, 04:29:42 PM by Dan the Roman »

Some Updates on the Rest of the World:

Europe, meanwhile was also slipping into crisis. French elections were scheduled in the fall, and that summer a botched police raid on a radical Mosque, managed to kill the preacher as well as three bystanders including a 13 year old girl. Coming a mere two weeks after the Chinese raid, riots broke out. Nearly 600,000 angry protesters gathered in Paris, shutting down the City. This time however, they did not remain confined to the banlieue but spread to more affluent neighborhoods. Rapidly losing control, the government panicked as rioting spread. The outgoing UMP government declared martial law and sent in the army as the Parisians fled the city. Finding the army insufficient, reserve detachments were formed in various provinces and then joined with the Army to invade Paris, which they slowly reconquered in the bloodiest street fighting since the suppression of the Commune.

In the midst of this the Presidential election was held. The chaos caused a massive reversal of the 2002 results with the UMP and the traditional Right failing to make the run-off. Marine Le Pen came first with 25.9% followed by Benoit Hamon with 20.8%. Hamon had run on a platform supporting official recognition of Islam within a multicultural secular country, and had blamed the Right for mistreating immigrants. With the country in an angry mood, and with Marine having moved the National Front to the center on gay rights and other social issues, Le Pen won the runoff 54-46. That the Paris upper-class was able to vote in exile, and the lower class unable to vote due to being cut down in the streets, aided this outcome

This meant that France joined Austria and the Netherlands, which already had Far-Right governments led by the Freedom Alliance and the Freedom party respectively. Meanwhile, the British Conservative Government of William Hague was dependent on the support of the votes of the UKIP, a legacy of the alternative vote that was supposed to help the Liberal Democrats and Labour when introduced in 2010. As a result, when the EU moved to suspend France as it had the Netherlands, and Austria, Prime Minister Hague joined with President Le Pen in blocking the move, and walking out of the EU. While still maintaining the customs union, for all practical purposes, all four countries no longer recognized its authority.

The worst disaster from the perspective of the Administration was to happen in Pakistan in May of 2018. Concerned over the insurgent training camps that had sprung up over its border, the Pakistani government had been preparing for a crackdown. Fighting that broke out between the Afghan government and attempting to infiltrate China worsened the situation, as did the decision of the Chinese to occupy a 50 mile exclusion zone in Afghanistan. The US rushed the 6th Fleet and demanded a withdrawal, only to have the fleet arrive in time for a badly planned Pakistani raid to trigger a an uprising. With Islamabad in chaos, the national assembly was stormed by rioters as insurgents took control of the Northwest Frontier province.

President Pence now called a meeting of the National Security Council. The Pakistani Army Chief of Staff, General Kiyiunari had assured the President that there was "no cause for concern on the nuclear issue". Vice President Perry and National Security Adviser Danielle Pletka nevertheless favored a surgical strike to take out Pakistan's nuclear base, while Secretary of State Jon Huntsman favored taking the Pakistanis at their word. The President determined on a strike on the major Pakistani missile bases, and Huntsman begged the President one final time to wait for better intelligence. When the President stuck to his decision, Huntsman resigned.

The surgical strike was a success in a sense, in that the location was secured. It was however, only secured by the US shooting down 9 Pakistani aircraft while landing troops, and then killing 128 Pakistani soldiers. Furthermore, upon securing the site it was discovered that the weapons were of no threat to anyone as the Pakistani Army, fearful of them falling into the wrong hands, had already disarmed them.

Outrage spread, the Pakistani provisional government fell, and the new military regime broke off relations with the United States and gave all Americans 24 hours to leave the country. The outrage was also felt in Saudi Arabia, where in the midst of anti-American and anti-western sentiment, the Saudis attempted to break up a public speech by the 'Mahdi" only to have their security forces mutiny. As protests spread calling for a fall of the monarchy, the Royal Family's own Royal Guard arrested them and declared the fall of the monarchy.
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2009, 04:41:15 PM »

Ah, looks like the 1930s. Fascinating. Positive events in Arabia, though.
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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2009, 04:54:25 PM »

Ah, looks like the 1930s. Fascinating. Positive events in Arabia, though.

The update tonight has a cliff hanger which really makes Pence look bad. Then the next segment is a slow motion trainwreck.

I actually feel a bit sympathetically to him. He makes bad decisions, but they were wrong in several cases for reasons beyond his control. Had the Nukes not been secured and had he done nothing, millions might have died. A few hundred died this way.

That said, it was a diplomatic and political disaster. Furthermore, it was not constructive to an international situation in which crisis are now feeding off one another. And he has the misfortune to have face someone at home who is a much smarter politician than he is.

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