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« on: February 29, 2004, 08:56:31 PM »

WASHINGTON - John Kerry and John Edwards are still fighting for the Democratic presidential nomination, but a new poll puts a Kerry-Edwards ticket ahead of the incumbents, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

Both Kerry and Edwards are basically tied with Bush in head-to-head matchups in a CBS News poll released this weekend. But when Kerry-Edwards are matched against Republican Bush-Cheney, the Democrats lead 50 percent to 42 percent. None of the hypothetical matchups included independent candidate Ralph Nader.

When CBS' Dan Rather asked Kerry and Edwards during a debate Sunday in New York about the possibility of joining forces on a Democratic ticket, both said such talk was premature.

Kerry, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, said he's not prepared to talk about running mates "and I don't think John Edwards is prepared to say he would run with me."

Edwards agreed. "I think there's no way to say that. We're still in a fight for the nomination."

The CBS poll of 1,545 adults was taken Feb. 24-27 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, the same for registered voters.
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« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2004, 09:01:51 PM »

edwards wont be the vp pick.
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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2004, 09:04:36 PM »


I have to agree.

By dragging this out and making it essentially 1-on-1, I would think that Edwards is hurting Kerry by not allowing the party to unite around him.

But on the other hand, perhaps this is a party strategy to keep the primary in the news for as long as possible, promoting the Dem platform in the media.  Just a thought.
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« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2004, 09:06:23 PM »

Is this a CBS push poll designed for Kerry to pick Edwards as his running mate?
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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2004, 09:06:25 PM »

i was just thinking--isnt 1980 (reagan/bush) the last time a nominee picked a rival for the nomination as his vp?
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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2004, 09:23:34 PM »

didn't that strategy work then?
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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2004, 09:29:08 PM »

wasnt bush reagan's second choice?

rewind to march of 2000...who would have guessed that bush would pick cheney and gore would pick lieberman?

wasnt tom ridge the 'sure thing' for bush that year?
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2004, 02:51:15 AM »

I think Edwards is a 'fallback' VP for Kerry. It is unclear that Edwards can deliver any state so he merely passed the 'doesnt hurt you' test.

The Dems are looking for John Kerry's "LBJ" to repeat JFK's squeker over Nixon in 60 by delivering a State they cant get without him.

Unfortunately it is unclear if there are any "LBJ's" in the party.
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2004, 02:59:34 AM »

WASHINGTON - John Kerry and John Edwards are still fighting for the Democratic presidential nomination, but a new poll puts a Kerry-Edwards ticket ahead of the incumbents, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

Both Kerry and Edwards are basically tied with Bush in head-to-head matchups in a CBS News poll released this weekend. But when Kerry-Edwards are matched against Republican Bush-Cheney, the Democrats lead 50 percent to 42 percent. None of the hypothetical matchups included independent candidate Ralph Nader.

When CBS' Dan Rather asked Kerry and Edwards during a debate Sunday in New York about the possibility of joining forces on a Democratic ticket, both said such talk was premature.

Kerry, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, said he's not prepared to talk about running mates "and I don't think John Edwards is prepared to say he would run with me."

Edwards agreed. "I think there's no way to say that. We're still in a fight for the nomination."

The CBS poll of 1,545 adults was taken Feb. 24-27 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, the same for registered voters.

filthy media conspiracy

Let Ralph Debate!
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2004, 09:43:35 AM »

WASHINGTON - John Kerry and John Edwards are still fighting for the Democratic presidential nomination, but a new poll puts a Kerry-Edwards ticket ahead of the incumbents, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

Both Kerry and Edwards are basically tied with Bush in head-to-head matchups in a CBS News poll released this weekend. But when Kerry-Edwards are matched against Republican Bush-Cheney, the Democrats lead 50 percent to 42 percent. None of the hypothetical matchups included independent candidate Ralph Nader.

When CBS' Dan Rather asked Kerry and Edwards during a debate Sunday in New York about the possibility of joining forces on a Democratic ticket, both said such talk was premature.

Kerry, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, said he's not prepared to talk about running mates "and I don't think John Edwards is prepared to say he would run with me."

Edwards agreed. "I think there's no way to say that. We're still in a fight for the nomination."

The CBS poll of 1,545 adults was taken Feb. 24-27 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, the same for registered voters.

filthy media conspiracy

Let Ralph Debate!

Sure, when a poll shows the Democrats leading, it is a "filthy media conspiracy," but when a poll shows the Republicans leading, what is it?   "An accurate poll," right?

Let's be honest.  Republicans are very worried about this election.  Behind the bravado, there is the reality that the Democrats are challenging them in Ohio, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Nevada and Arizona, and could win 3 of them.  This is driving Rove nuts.

Fasten your seat belts!  It's going to be a heck of a ride.

 

   
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2004, 12:01:51 PM »

WASHINGTON - John Kerry and John Edwards are still fighting for the Democratic presidential nomination, but a new poll puts a Kerry-Edwards ticket ahead of the incumbents, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

Both Kerry and Edwards are basically tied with Bush in head-to-head matchups in a CBS News poll released this weekend. But when Kerry-Edwards are matched against Republican Bush-Cheney, the Democrats lead 50 percent to 42 percent. None of the hypothetical matchups included independent candidate Ralph Nader.

When CBS' Dan Rather asked Kerry and Edwards during a debate Sunday in New York about the possibility of joining forces on a Democratic ticket, both said such talk was premature.

Kerry, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, said he's not prepared to talk about running mates "and I don't think John Edwards is prepared to say he would run with me."

Edwards agreed. "I think there's no way to say that. We're still in a fight for the nomination."

The CBS poll of 1,545 adults was taken Feb. 24-27 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, the same for registered voters.

filthy media conspiracy

Let Ralph Debate!

Sure, when a poll shows the Democrats leading, it is a "filthy media conspiracy," but when a poll shows the Republicans leading, what is it?   "An accurate poll," right?

Let's be honest.  Republicans are very worried about this election.  Behind the bravado, there is the reality that the Democrats are challenging them in Ohio, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Nevada and Arizona, and could win 3 of them.  This is driving Rove nuts.

Fasten your seat belts!  It's going to be a heck of a ride.

 

   

I think he's kidding. And the latest New Hampshire poll shows Kerry leading Bush 53-38.
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2004, 02:12:37 PM »

In 2000- Al Gore's sure Running mate was John Kerry.
GWB's sure thing was John McCain. Who knew.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2004, 03:22:28 PM »

*Kerry*
**Bayh**
In 2004
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2004, 05:19:16 PM »

Is this a CBS push poll designed for Kerry to pick Edwards as his running mate?
A push poll is where the question is manipulated, which hasn't been suggested. Right now it's believable that you could get this result without any push polling because of Edwards's name recognition.
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2004, 05:20:13 PM »

Btw, 50-42 is about what Reagan's advantage over Carter was in 1980. That's huge! Too bad it won't last...
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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2004, 05:20:53 PM »

are there any other kind?  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2004, 05:25:16 PM »


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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2004, 05:41:49 PM »

I've always thought why not Wesley Clark as Kerry's VP.  He was talked about a lot as Dean's VP, but he'd still seem a logical choice and from a state that Dems could have a shot at, unlike Edwards's NC. . .
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2004, 05:51:01 PM »

I don't see Edwards as Kerry's VP pick anymore.  They're too much of rivals now to be anything like friends or partners or runningmates.  And whether he admits it or not, Edwards *is* using negative campaigning against Kerry, which further hurts his chances of being asked to join the ticket.

Evan Bayh would be a good choice, especially in terms of kicking the Republicans in the balls.  I really think Bayh would put Indiana in play, a state which hasn't gone Democrat since the election of 1964 when Johnson played off the Kennedy assassination, and not since the 1940 election before that.

Max Cleland would be another pick for Kerry, but Cleland would not win Georgia.  It would, however, add to the whole "Vietnam" issue Kerry is for some reason bringing up again--as if voters care much about Vietnam anymore.

Bill Richardson is always talked about--and he'd be a great VP pick, but he'll probably turn it down.

And then there's both Gephardt and Clark...They've been acting very friendly lately with Kerry.  Gephardt would be a bad choice.  Clark probably wouldn't be too good either.  Both were big dubs in this primary election.  Neither would win their home states, probably.

My bet is either a Kerry/Bayh or Kerry/Richardson ticket.
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2004, 06:00:32 PM »

I don't see Edwards as Kerry's VP pick anymore.  They're too much of rivals now to be anything like friends or partners or runningmates.  And whether he admits it or not, Edwards *is* using negative campaigning against Kerry, which further hurts his chances of being asked to join the ticket.

Evan Bayh would be a good choice, especially in terms of kicking the Republicans in the balls.  I really think Bayh would put Indiana in play, a state which hasn't gone Democrat since the election of 1964 when Johnson played off the Kennedy assassination, and not since the 1940 election before that.

Max Cleland would be another pick for Kerry, but Cleland would not win Georgia.  It would, however, add to the whole "Vietnam" issue Kerry is for some reason bringing up again--as if voters care much about Vietnam anymore.

Bill Richardson is always talked about--and he'd be a great VP pick, but he'll probably turn it down.

And then there's both Gephardt and Clark...They've been acting very friendly lately with Kerry.  Gephardt would be a bad choice.  Clark probably wouldn't be too good either.  Both were big dubs in this primary election.  Neither would win their home states, probably.

My bet is either a Kerry/Bayh or Kerry/Richardson ticket.

Bayh is strategically sound.  I agree that Kerry's people are playing nasty with Bush's Guard service.  Most of the time I don't give a damn who wins, but when they start that crap I want to put that BC'04 sticker that the GOP mailed me on my car and drive around the country campaigning for Bush.
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2004, 06:03:03 PM »

Bayh is strategically sound.  I agree that Kerry's people are playing nasty with Bush's Guard service.  Most of the time I don't give a damn who wins, but when they start that crap I want to put that BC'04 sticker that the GOP mailed me on my car and drive around the country campaigning for Bush.

They sent you a Bush/Cheney 04 sticker?  I've been trying to get one, but everywhere I go, you have to buy the sticker rather than it be free.

I put a "W '04" sticker on my brand new 2004 Dodge ram... It was a tough decision to make, to put something on a truck so new... But I just had to.  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2004, 06:05:09 PM »

2008:
Bayh/Richardson- 482 EV
Any Republican pair- 56 EV
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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2004, 06:06:34 PM »

Bayh is strategically sound.  I agree that Kerry's people are playing nasty with Bush's Guard service.  Most of the time I don't give a damn who wins, but when they start that crap I want to put that BC'04 sticker that the GOP mailed me on my car and drive around the country campaigning for Bush.

They sent you a Bush/Cheney 04 sticker?  I've been trying to get one, but everywhere I go, you have to buy the sticker rather than it be free.

I put a "W '04" sticker on my brand new 2004 Dodge ram... It was a tough decision to make, to put something on a truck so new... But I just had to.  Smiley

I would have put it on a lining on the rear windshield; it could peal off when the election was over and the glass would still be pristine.
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2004, 06:07:56 PM »

All tickets usually have a ring to them.

Bush-Cheney
Gore-Lieberman
Clinton-Gore
Bush-Quayle

A Bush-Giuliani or a Bush-Rice ticket sounds nice, but it won't happen.

Kerry-Richardson I think. A Kerry-Edwards sounds better than a Edwards-Kerry. A Kerry-Clark ticket sounds confusing.
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2004, 06:17:29 PM »

It depends how much Clark weighs and who's doing the carrying.
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