15% rule in caucuses in Iowa

[cube30]

I know that there is a 15% (if the caucuses is voting for at least 4 delegates) for a candidate to be considered “viable” and that once a candidate is not considered “viable” they are removed from the ticket. My question is do they all get removed or just the lowest vote getter i.e.

Vote 1
A        45%
B        20%
C        10%
D        10%
E         7.5%
F         5 %
E         2.5%

Dose candidate E get removed or does everyone from C down get removed? Or is there a different system?

[NorthernDog]

From what I understand, the 15% rule applies to each individual caucus meeting, not to the totals.
In some areas the weaker candidates will have 15% but in others they'll only have 10% or less, so the weaker areas won't count at all.  For example, if your caucus had 100 people and only 12 gather for Edwards, those 12 will have to disburse to uncomitted or to another candidate.
If you can persuade 3 more people to join, you'll get the 15% for your caucus and it will count in the statewide totals. This really weeds out the weaker candidates and forces people to choose a different candidate than they really wanted to.

[Beet]

Who will this rule affect (reduce from a potential 6-14 percent to zero)? Lieberman and Edwards might just get under 15?

[Gustaf]

Who will this rule affect (reduce from a potential 6-14 percent to zero)? Lieberman and Edwards might just get under 15?

What if a lot of candidates get less than 15% and their voters then want go over to someone other than Dean, support Gephardt, could he then pull through in Iowa?

[jravnsbo]

Lieberman and Clark are not in Iowa anyway.

It will most effect Kucinich, Sharpton, Braun.  Kucinich has some Green Iowa support and they will either have to band together somewhere or join another.

Edwards also will be hurt as he is only polling around 8%.

Who will this rule affect (reduce from a potential 6-14 percent to zero)? Lieberman and Edwards might just get under 15?

[Paul]

I think that most Kucinich support will break for Dean... at least that's what he's counting on.  In the debates that have been held so far, Dean, when attacking "the Establishment Democrats" is quick to praise Dennis Kucinich.  The hope is that those caucus-goers for Kucinich will feel comfortable with Dean.  However, I am curious to see how Edwards support will break.

[DarthKosh]

I think that most Kucinich support will break for Dean... at least that's what he's counting on.  In the debates that have been held so far, Dean, when attacking "the Establishment Democrats" is quick to praise Dennis Kucinich.  The hope is that those caucus-goers for Kucinich will feel comfortable with Dean.  However, I am curious to see how Edwards support will break.

Kucinich goes to Dean.  Edwards will got to Gephardt and Kerry.

[NorthernDog]

I heard today that Edwards' strategy is to focus on the smaller caucus areas where the 15% rule willl require only 6-10 people.  I don't think its going to work.  The people administering these caucuses can be persuasive and (to the non-political person) intimidating.  Nobody wants to support the long-shot candidate when their mom, Aunt Gertrude and Uncle Festus are all over there with the big Dean crowd.

[jravnsbo]

Edwards is polling around 14% so close in a lot of c[places I would imagine.  Plus if organized you just move people around, that is the key to IA.

Nice endorsement by Des Moines Register, but they have always endorsed the loser, Simon in 88, Tsongas in 92, Bradley in 2000.

I heard today that Edwards' strategy is to focus on the smaller caucus areas where the 15% rule willl require only 6-10 people.  I don't think its going to work.  The people administering these caucuses can be persuasive and (to the non-political person) intimidating.  Nobody wants to support the long-shot candidate when their mom, Aunt Gertrude and Uncle Festus are all over there with the big Dean crowd.

[12th Doctor]

I know that there is a 15% (if the caucuses is voting for at least 4 delegates) for a candidate to be considered “viable” and that once a candidate is not considered “viable” they are removed from the ticket. My question is do they all get removed or just the lowest vote getter i.e.

Vote 1
A        45%
B        20%
C        10%
D        10%
E         7.5%
F         5 %
E         2.5%

Dose candidate E get removed or does everyone from C down get removed? Or is there a different system?

Holy sh**t!!!  A Republican from Massechusetts!?!?

[12th Doctor]

Strange, I'm the only Republican on this thread who is still active.  Where have all the Republicans gone?

[angus]

Strange, I'm the only Republican on this thread who is still active.  Where have all the Republicans gone?

Sea of Blue, my friend.  

Cube30, I have found the answer to that question before in here:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/

but you may have to dig around a bit.

[12th Doctor]

Strange, I'm the only Republican on this thread who is still active.  Where have all the Republicans gone?

Sea of Blue, my friend.  

Cube30, I have found the answer to that question before in here:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/

but you may have to dig around a bit.

LOL this thread is about 3 months old and he hasn't posted since then.

[angus]

Joker!  But you should be aware that four of the last four governors of the Bay State have been Republicans.  And Bush's daddy was a Republican from Milton, Mass too.  And in the five years I lived in Boston, my entire office was filled with serious loyal GOP Clinton-bashers.

[© tweed]

What happens if this happens:

A: 14%
B: 13.99%
etc...

The winner has less than 15%?  Are no delegates awarded?

[Gustaf]

Why is this thread even up again?

Don't worry Soulty, there are still plenty of Reps around...35.59% of those with at least 18 posts are Reps.

[minionofmidas]

What happens if this happens:

A: 14%
B: 13.99%
etc...

The winner has less than 15%?  Are no delegates awarded?

The world comes to an end.
Seriously.
Wherever in the world you have a threshold for representation, that theoretical problem exists. In Turkey, with its 10% threshold and independents (running in only one province) exempted, you'd get an entirely independent parliament, even if they only got a handful of votes.
In Germany (5% threshold), winning in at least 3 direct-elections constituencies gets you into parliament too, and somebody has to win 'em.
But there are places that have a threshold with no exceptions...What happens there?

[cube30]

What happens if this happens:

A: 14%
B: 13.99%
etc...

The winner has less than 15%?  Are no delegates awarded?

The world comes to an end.
Seriously.
Wherever in the world you have a threshold for representation, that theoretical problem exists. In Turkey, with its 10% threshold and independents (running in only one province) exempted, you'd get an entirely independent parliament, even if they only got a handful of votes.
In Germany (5% threshold), winning in at least 3 direct-elections constituencies gets you into parliament too, and somebody has to win 'em.
But there are places that have a threshold with no exceptions...What happens there?

First I have no idea why this thread got resurrected.

Second I know that if no one get to 15% then they could reform their groups until someone gets to 15% or there is always the “uncommitted” delegates. In a primary system if no one gets 15% then the threshold is X-10 where X is the percentage of votes of the top candidate.

[dunn]

All the delegats are uncomitted

[angus]

Gotta love the 1968 democrats for taking a bad system and making it worse.  This is called progress, by the way.  No more smoke-filled rooms with concerned, intelligent people picking candidates for us.  No way.  Let the great unwashed uninformed masses pick 'em.  Go McGovern!  Go Jerry Ford!

Been looking for a place to post this, but can't find one.  Since this is about as irrelevant a thread as I can imagine, I'll put it here:

So this guy gets on an airplane and takes his seat.  He notices the Popemobile outside and wonders if that's the Pope's popemobile.  Sure enough, after a few minutes His Holiness boards and takes the seat right next to the guy.  Not much of a talker, the pope.

After about an hour of silence, during which time the pope is doing a crossword puzzle, the pope looks over at the guy and asks if he knows a four-letter word for woman that ends in 'unt'.

The guy thinks, "surely it can't be, and anyway I don't want to offend the Holy Father," so he says, "I'm sorry I can't think of any."  So the pope continues with his puzzle.

After several minutes the pope starts exclaiming in Greek, "Eureka!"  ("I just thought of it!")  "It's aunt.  A-U-N-T.  That one was tricky."

The pope then looks over at the guy and asks, "can I borrow your eraser?"

[Gustaf]

Gotta love the 1968 democrats for taking a bad system and making it worse.  This is called progress, by the way.  No more smoke-filled rooms with concerned, intelligent people picking candidates for us.  No way.  Let the great unwashed uninformed masses pick 'em.  Go McGovern!  Go Jerry Ford!

Been looking for a place to post this, but can't find one.  Since this is about as irrelevant a thread as I can imagine, I'll put it here:

So this guy gets on an airplane and takes his seat.  He notices the Popemobile outside and wonders if that's the Pope's popemobile.  Sure enough, after a few minutes His Holiness boards and takes the seat right next to the guy.  Not much of a talker, the pope.

After about an hour of silence, during which time the pope is doing a crossword puzzle, the pope looks over at the guy and asks if he knows a four-letter word for woman that ends in 'unt'.

The guy thinks, "surely it can't be, and anyway I don't want to offend the Holy Father," so he says, "I'm sorry I can't think of any."  So the pope continues with his puzzle.

After several minutes the pope starts exclaiming in Greek, "Eureka!"  ("I just thought of it!")  "It's aunt.  A-U-N-T.  That one was tricky."

The pope then looks over at the guy and asks, "can I borrow your eraser?"

You could have put it in the humour thread under General... Pretty good though, I'll give you that...in fact, I got annoyed on an air-plane by a know-it-all who helped my mum solve a crossword...uninvited...she would ask us things, and this guy just barged and in and knew everything...it hurt.

[12th Doctor]

What happens if this happens:

A: 14%
B: 13.99%
etc...

The winner has less than 15%?  Are no delegates awarded?

The world comes to an end.
Seriously.
Wherever in the world you have a threshold for representation, that theoretical problem exists. In Turkey, with its 10% threshold and independents (running in only one province) exempted, you'd get an entirely independent parliament, even if they only got a handful of votes.
In Germany (5% threshold), winning in at least 3 direct-elections constituencies gets you into parliament too, and somebody has to win 'em.
But there are places that have a threshold with no exceptions...What happens there?

First I have no idea why this thread got resurrected.

Second I know that if no one get to 15% then they could reform their groups until someone gets to 15% or there is always the “uncommitted” delegates. In a primary system if no one gets 15% then the threshold is X-10 where X is the percentage of votes of the top candidate.

I had no intentions of resurecting this thread.  I just saw that you were on th bottom and I wanted to see who you were.  Sorry about that.  You should post more man.