most socially liberal poster besides migrendel

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

if you ask just "most socially liberal" migrendel always wins from everyone hands down. so let's make it more interesting. who's your pick?

[Vincent]

I would probably say Texasgurl, but you and bandit also come to mind.

[opebo]

I vote for myself on this one.  

[Lunar]

I vote for myself on this one.  

I also vote for Opebo.  If Mig wasn't obsessed with all of the patriarchal heirarchy stuff, Opebo would probably be more socially liberal.

[English]

Me. I don't think government should impose any form of morality on people. Certainly not through legislation. I would decriminalize drugs, legalise gay marriage and allow unmarried and same-sex couples full adoption rights.

[English]

I vote for myself on this one.  

Opebo, why do you have a Republican Avatar? I pretty much agree with you about everything!!

[Bono]

I would be if I weren't pro-life.

[English]

I would be if I weren't pro-life.

I'm pro-life, but I don't think it's right to legislate against it. It's the same with euphanasia. The argument is entirely a moral one, which would be better put by activists and religious leaders NOT by politicians. Surely it's better to make people aware of why abortion is wrong, rather than simply banning it? In Holland abortion is legal, yet the rate of abortions is very low indeed.

[Bono]

I would be if I weren't pro-life.

I'm pro-life, but I don't think it's right to legislate against it. It's the same with euphanasia. The argument is entirely a moral one, which would be better put by activists and religious leaders NOT by politicians. Surely it's better to make people aware of why abortion is wrong, rather than simply banning it? In Holland abortion is legal, yet the rate of abortions is very low indeed.

Sorry, but euthanasia is not the same as abortion at all. In euthanasia, someone gives his/hers consent that she wants to die. In an abortion, an innocent life is ended without beeing consulted about it.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

you guys definately aren't, since you do support some restrictions on abortion and I'm sure disagree with those "I had an abortion" shirts I posted about awhile ago. opebo is more socially libertarian, he doesn't strike me as someone who reads up on feminist ideology or supports things like the ERA.

I guess now I'll say Texasgurl or nclib.

[badnarikin04]

I would be if I weren't pro-life.

This is the only issue I think me and Bono disagree on. I'm strongly pro-choice even though I don't condone publicly funded abortions.

How come I'm not a mention? I want cities like New York to become Amsterdam times 1,000.

Amsterdam sounds so cool.

[The Dowager Mod]

Myself or Nclib
it's in the signature

[opebo]

I vote for myself on this one.  

Opebo, why do you have a Republican Avatar? I pretty much agree with you about everything!!

I'm pretty close to changing due to social freedoms.  However I disagree with the Democrats on economic issues, and I really like an agressive war on political Islam.   Neither party suits me.

[Lunar]

I vote for myself on this one.  

Opebo, why do you have a Republican Avatar? I pretty much agree with you about everything!!

I'm pretty close to changing due to social freedoms.  However I disagree with the Democrats on economic issues, and I really like an agressive war on political Islam.   Neither party suits me.

The Libertarian Party is closest to your anarcho-capitalist ideology, but they are off on foreign policy for you.

It's valid to vote for third parties if you want the other parties to drift more libertarian.  If candidates are losing reasonable percentages in a swing state like Missouri to the Libertarians, they are going to shift their platform.

[opebo]

I vote for myself on this one.  

Opebo, why do you have a Republican Avatar? I pretty much agree with you about everything!!

I'm pretty close to changing due to social freedoms.  However I disagree with the Democrats on economic issues, and I really like an agressive war on political Islam.   Neither party suits me.

The Libertarian Party is closest to your anarcho-capitalist ideology, but they are off on foreign policy for you.

It's valid to vote for third parties if you want the other parties to drift more libertarian.  If candidates are losing reasonable percentages in a swing state like Missouri to the Libertarians, they are going to shift their platform.

Good advice, though I fear the libertarian leaning vote is less important to the GOP than the christian types.

Ah, heck, I'll vote with my feet (and my dollars) but just moving as planned to a free-er country.

[nclib]

you guys definately aren't, since you do support some restrictions on abortion and I'm sure disagree with those "I had an abortion" shirts I posted about awhile ago. opebo is more socially libertarian, he doesn't strike me as someone who reads up on feminist ideology or supports things like the ERA.

I guess now I'll say Texasgurl or nclib.

Exactly. Opebo is strongly socially libertarian, but that does not equal 'social liberal'. Social liberals are concerned with the advancement of women's rights and gay rights.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

you guys definately aren't, since you do support some restrictions on abortion and I'm sure disagree with those "I had an abortion" shirts I posted about awhile ago. opebo is more socially libertarian, he doesn't strike me as someone who reads up on feminist ideology or supports things like the ERA.

I guess now I'll say Texasgurl or nclib.

Exactly. Opebo is strongly socially libertarian, but that does not equal 'social liberal'. Social liberals are concerned with the advancement of women's rights and gay rights.

I think the difference is that social Libertarians believe that people should be free to make their own choices and live life as they choose to.  It's passive in nature.  I am very much in line with that.  Social Liberals, on the other hand, are active in nature.  They actually want to promote sexual deviancy and tear down traditional institutions.  Much like the Religious Right would like to force everyone to follow their social ethos, the Social Left would like to force everyone to follow theirs.  Thus, the ACLU's obsession with pornographers and perverts (at least, those are the cases you hear about them taking the most).  They don't care about people's freedoms.  They care about pushing their agenda on everyone else.

[bullmoose88]

I vote for myself (trying to be as non-pompous as possible)

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

The two most socially liberal posters are Republicans - hooray!

[Lunar]

I'm probably just as socially liberal as Bullmoose.  I say legalize everything that doesn't infringe on somebody else's rights.  This means hard drugs, casinos, prostitution, guns, etc.

Opebo is more socially liberal than me because he doesn't feel the government should regulate or tax any of these industries.

[A18]

I'm socially liberal except for:
--abortion
--gay 'marriage' recognition

[dazzleman]

I think the difference is that social Libertarians believe that people should be free to make their own choices and live life as they choose to.  It's passive in nature.  I am very much in line with that.  Social Liberals, on the other hand, are active in nature.  They actually want to promote sexual deviancy and tear down traditional institutions.  Much like the Religious Right would like to force everyone to follow their social ethos, the Social Left would like to force everyone to follow theirs.  Thus, the ACLU's obsession with pornographers and perverts (at least, those are the cases you hear about them taking the most).  They don't care about people's freedoms.  They care about pushing their agenda on everyone else.

Excellent point about social libertarians vs. social liberals.

[CARLHAYDEN]

you guys definately aren't, since you do support some restrictions on abortion and I'm sure disagree with those "I had an abortion" shirts I posted about awhile ago. opebo is more socially libertarian, he doesn't strike me as someone who reads up on feminist ideology or supports things like the ERA.

I guess now I'll say Texasgurl or nclib.

Exactly. Opebo is strongly socially libertarian, but that does not equal 'social liberal'. Social liberals are concerned with the advancement of women's rights and gay rights.

I think the difference is that social Libertarians believe that people should be free to make their own choices and live life as they choose to.  It's passive in nature.  I am very much in line with that.  Social Liberals, on the other hand, are active in nature.  They actually want to promote sexual deviancy and tear down traditional institutions.  Much like the Religious Right would like to force everyone to follow their social ethos, the Social Left would like to force everyone to follow theirs.  Thus, the ACLU's obsession with pornographers and perverts (at least, those are the cases you hear about them taking the most).  They don't care about people's freedoms.  They care about pushing their agenda on everyone else.

I think you are pretty close on the concept of the differences in social matters between liberarians and liberals.

Liberals believe in preferences for people based on their race, ethnicity and sex.  Libertarians believe the government should NOT discriminate on the basis of race, sex or ethnicity.

Liberals tend to promote abridgements of freedom of speech (hate codes).

Liberals tend to support restrictions on smoking (to give yet another example) which are designed to harrass smokers, whereas libertarians are more a 'smoke if you got 'em' philosphy.

One could go on and on with differences, but the bottom line is that liberals believe that you should be forced to do what they want, whereas libertarians basically say that as long as you are not infringing on the real rights of others, what you do is your own business.

[opebo]

you guys definately aren't, since you do support some restrictions on abortion and I'm sure disagree with those "I had an abortion" shirts I posted about awhile ago. opebo is more socially libertarian, he doesn't strike me as someone who reads up on feminist ideology or supports things like the ERA.

I guess now I'll say Texasgurl or nclib.

Exactly. Opebo is strongly socially libertarian, but that does not equal 'social liberal'. Social liberals are concerned with the advancement of women's rights and gay rights.

I think the difference is that social Libertarians believe that people should be free to make their own choices and live life as they choose to.  It's passive in nature.  I am very much in line with that.  Social Liberals, on the other hand, are active in nature.  They actually want to promote sexual deviancy and tear down traditional institutions.  Much like the Religious Right would like to force everyone to follow their social ethos, the Social Left would like to force everyone to follow theirs.  Thus, the ACLU's obsession with pornographers and perverts (at least, those are the cases you hear about them taking the most).  They don't care about people's freedoms.  They care about pushing their agenda on everyone else.

You're wrong, the ACLU is persuing social libertarianism in those cases of 'pornographers and perverts' - they want to prevent censorship, not force you to look at the material.  

I'm such a social libertarian/liberal that I find the use of the term 'pervert' very offensive.  Its usually applied to people merely for having sexual desires - particularly males.  Seems social conservatives want a nation of eunichs.

[migrendel]

Opebo is absolutely right. Odd as some of the fetishes might seem, people do not choose to feel aroused about certain things they find erotic. There are cases when exercising sexual liberty violates the liberty of others, but with those exceptions, it would be best to accept sexual pluralism and leave people alone. I see no reason why we should be in the business of violating the sanctity of the home to rummage around in order to find a person's reading material. It may not be high art, but pornography does have a role to play in society. In your insistence at upholding the popular sovereignty of whatever narrow-minded community you want to protect, what you are actually doing is pushing your agenda on those who have enough contact with their sexuality to not let something as inconsequential as shame fetter their stimulation.