Kerry comdemns anti-Bush ad

[© tweed]

CNN: John Kerry on Tuesday condemned a television ad that criticizes President Bush's Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard, even as prominent veterans linked to the Democratic presidential campaign echoed the commercial's accusations.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/17/war.records.ap/index.html
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Why didn't Bush do the same with the other ad that was put out by the unfit for command folks?

Kerry just went up +2 in my book to -99999999.

[Akno21]

Because the Bush folks have something to do with the "Unfit for Command" ad. They always do dirty campaigning, look at what they did in South Carolina during the Primaries.

[© tweed]

Because the Bush folks have something to do with the "Unfit for Command" ad. They always do dirty campaigning, look at what they did in South Carolina during the Primaries.

I doubt they have something to do with it.  But even if they don't produce it, they certainly turn a blind eye.

[Dr. Cynic]

Bush shouldn't have turned the other cheek to that ad. Kerry did what was right in this case, Bush did what was wrong. I can't explain it any better than that.

[A18]

Which of you were in Vietnam to give us the real story?

And this idea of Kerry doing a noble deed by condeming this pathetic ad against Bush is laughable. Sorry, joining the guard just isn't quite as bad as lying your way to war hero status.

Freedom of Speech. You can't just say that 'shadowy third party groups' shouldn't be allowed to get together and run ads.

And where was Kerry condemning moveon.org BEFORE the Vet ad? Sorry, but the Bush campaign isn't exactly imploding over this.

[12th Doctor]

CNN: John Kerry on Tuesday condemned a television ad that criticizes President Bush's Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard, even as prominent veterans linked to the Democratic presidential campaign echoed the commercial's accusations.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/17/war.records.ap/index.html
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Why didn't Bush do the same with the other ad that was put out by the unfit for command folks?

Kerry just went up +2 in my book to -99999999.

He did.

[Dr. Cynic]

My late uncle was in Vietnam, and I strongly object to your implication that he wasn't a war hero. Everyone who fought in that war was a hero! Just for having to be in that jungle wasteland, when we shouldn't have been there in the first place! To insult a man or woman's service is as dishonorable, and as low down as it gets! My uncle told me a terrible story about how a VietCONG shot at him and another guy while they were on a Recon mission. The bullet grazed my uncle's neck, and went into the other guy, killing him. My uncle hunted that bastard down and shot him. How dare you condemn the work of ANYONE who served in Vietnam, or any other war!

[Giant Saguaro]

He did - it was on Larry King the other night. I guess if a person wanted to hear about it, they'd have to watch Larry King, though.

[Jake]

My late uncle was in Vietnam, and I strongly object to your implication that he wasn't a war hero. Everyone who fought in that war was a hero! Just for having to be in that jungle wasteland, when we shouldn't have been there in the first place! To insult a man or woman's service is as dishonorable, and as low down as it gets! My uncle told me a terrible story about how a VietCONG shot at him and another guy while they were on a Recon mission. The bullet grazed my uncle's neck, and went into the other guy, killing him. My uncle hunted that bastard down and shot him. How dare you condemn the work of ANYONE who served in Vietnam, or any other war!

Heroism is in the eye of the beholder...or something like that.

[Dr. Cynic]

No, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (Which is something I don't have). Heroisim is heroisim, no matter whose eye it is. It's an insult to my family who have fought in every major war except WWII to say otherwise. It's also an insult and slap in the face to every other veteran to say that.

[Jake]

IF John Kerry lied, he isn't a hero.

Kerry aledgedly lied about alot of his actions in Vietnam.  All I want for him to do is tell the truth about that. Did he lie, and if he did about what. That's it.

[John Dibble]

Sorry Lawrence, but heroism isn't as clear cut as you would like it to be. The men who slammed planes into the WTC are viewed as heroes by some, yet to us they are nothing more than vile scum. Heroism is indeed in the eye of the beholder. People fight for what they believe in, but it is those who observe and follow them that label them as heroes. People are labeled as heroes because they fight for ideals that other people think are worth fighting for. One can not label oneself a hero.

War isn't always clear cut either. War is a brutal struggle between enemies, war is killing. The most brutal of all wars happen when both sides believe they fight for justice. I garauntee you, not a single army in all of history has ever marched into battle thinking that the creator had sided with the enemy. War brings out both the best and the worst humanity has to offer, making heroes and villains on all sides. While some sides may have more noble ideas or disciplined soldiers, it is a rarity when a side, even through a single soldier, never commits even a single atrocity. To say that ALL of our veterans are heroes is ignorance, I have little doubt there are villains among them. But of course, there being villains among our veterans does not lessen the acts and sacrifices of the heroes among them, so it is not an insult at all to your family.

[Jake]

Thank you. Probably first time John has agreed with me.

[Dr. Cynic]

It's a little differant for me. My uncle fought in Vietnam, so I tend to believe all folks who fight for our country are heroes. Dd I bash Bush's service once? No I didn't, because I hold it to be sacred to serve in the millitary or serve this country in any way. I object to your implication that members of my family aren't commendable for their service to this country. Hopefully, you know where I'm coming from.

[Friar]

Which of you were in Vietnam to give us the real story?

And this idea of Kerry doing a noble deed by condeming this pathetic ad against Bush is laughable. Sorry, joining the guard just isn't quite as bad as lying your way to war hero status.

Philip, take a look who is lying. This is a briliant part of Kerry's campaign. Condeming the ad shows he has nothing to do with it. Meanwhile they will still keep airing it. Bush not condeming the obviously false lie of the swiftliers makes him look negative.

From today's WaPo (and all over other news sources)

"Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events."

To cut it short (you can read the full version in WaPo) the guy thats said noone i firing at the boats that day received his medal for his actions that "took place under constant enemy small arms fire"...

[John Dibble]

It's a little differant for me. My uncle fought in Vietnam, so I tend to believe all folks who fight for our country are heroes. Dd I bash Bush's service once? No I didn't, because I hold it to be sacred to serve in the millitary or serve this country in any way. I object to your implication that members of my family aren't commendable for their service to this country. Hopefully, you know where I'm coming from.

1. My grandfather served in WWII. My father was a truck driver during Vietnam. How is it different for you?

2. I did not imply your family members aren't commendable for their service, heck, I commend them. Your uncle sounds like a hero and a great guy to me. Did I say he wasn't? No, I merely said that not all people who serve in our military, even during a war, are heroes - some bring shame and disgrace to our military. I also said that the vile acts of such people do not lessen the value of the brave acts of others.

3. I don't bash Bush's service either. However, I don't compare it to those who actually fought the enemy, because being in an in country base is not the same as being in a battle field. Bush is not a hero merely because he served, but I wouldn't call him a coward for it. Honestly I have no clue how he'd fight in battle back then.

EDIT - and to be truthful, I don't give a damn about either Kerry or Bush's military history as far as the presidential race goes. I have no garauntee they would make the same decisions today as they would when they were younger - they are very different than they were from three decades ago.

[Dr. Cynic]

I tend to get emotional on that. I really don't wanna argue this anymore. Both guys served. Both guys recieved honorable discharges, then they served well. It's not really something I feel needs to be argued.

[12th Doctor]

I tend to get emotional on that. I really don't wanna argue this anymore. Both guys served. Both guys recieved honorable discharges, then they served well. It's not really something I feel needs to be argued.

Lawrence,

I agree with you.  Unfortunatly, Veitnam has become the primary issue of the campaign, because it is all Kerry will talk about.  He brought this on himself.  I would happily stay out of Veitnam if he would just shut-up about it.

[Dr. Cynic]

I can't control what he says. It's a terrible shame that an illegal war fought before I was born is the central issue of this campaign. Issues like jobs, education, and health care are taking a back seat to this macho "Thing". That's one thing I don't like about Kerry. You fought in the damn war. My uncle did too. Move on to a real issue I wanna hear about!

[12th Doctor]

I can't control what he says. It's a terrible shame that an illegal war fought before I was born is the central issue of this campaign. Issues like jobs, education, and health care are taking a back seat to this macho "Thing". That's one thing I don't like about Kerry. You fought in the damn war. My uncle did too. Move on to a real issue I wanna hear about!

Well, I think you need to ask then, wh hasn't Kerry moved on to talking about the issues.  The conclusion I draw is that if he did then he wouldn't have much to say, or else, he would have done it already.

[JNB]

And this idea of Kerry doing a noble deed by condeming this pathetic ad against Bush is laughable. Sorry, joining the guard just isn't quite as bad as lying your way to war hero status.

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Philip, take a look who is lying. This is a briliant part of Kerry's campaign. Condeming the ad shows he has nothing to do with it. Meanwhile they will still keep airing it. Bush not condeming the obviously false lie of the swiftliers makes him look negative.

From today's WaPo (and all over other news sources)

"Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events."

To cut it short (you can read the full version in WaPo) the guy thats said noone i firing at the boats that day received his medal for his actions that "took place under constant enemy small arms fire"...

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  Normally I despise the mainstream media, but I hope they tear the Swift Boat vets apart and show no mercy. Mr. Bush and his worthless camp have been using this instead of issues, and its pathetic.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And this idea of Kerry doing a noble deed by condeming this pathetic ad against Bush is laughable. Sorry, joining the guard just isn't quite as bad as lying your way to war hero status.

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Philip, take a look who is lying. This is a briliant part of Kerry's campaign. Condeming the ad shows he has nothing to do with it. Meanwhile they will still keep airing it. Bush not condeming the obviously false lie of the swiftliers makes him look negative.

From today's WaPo (and all over other news sources)

"Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events."

To cut it short (you can read the full version in WaPo) the guy thats said noone i firing at the boats that day received his medal for his actions that "took place under constant enemy small arms fire"...

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  Normally I despise the mainstream media, but I hope they tear the Swift Boat vets apart and show no mercy. Mr. Bush and his worthless camp have been using this instead of issues, and its pathetic.

Off topic, but what part of Ohio do you live in?

[Dr. Cynic]

This topic is really damn stupid. I doubt that Kerry would shoot himself in the leg to get a damn medal. My uncle had a purple heart, which now rests next to his flag at my house. Bush served in the national guard, big whoop. Kerry got shot, good for him. I don't like either candidate, but I'll go with Kerry because of party loyalty. Would you shoot yourself in the leg to win a damn medal?

[© tweed]

Would you shoot yourself in the leg to win a damn medal?

No, but I might shoot myself in the leg to get med-evac'ed.

[JNB]

Off topic, but what part of Ohio do you live in?

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  I am in Columbus Ohio.