The 269-269 EV Thread

[King]

This might be interesting...lets find every possible way Bush vs. Kerry can both have no electoral majorities. No matter how impossible they may be.



Kerry/Edwards: 269 EVs
Bush/Cheney: 269 EVs

[King]

[Lunar]

I have the craziest one yet:

[King]

I have the craziest one yet:

lol

[King]

[ilikeverin]

[Keystone Phil]

[nini2287]

[TommyC1776]

Here's mine:

[nini2287]

Another interesting geographical one:

[nini2287]

States that end in A (minus one of the Nebraska districts):

[JohnFKennedy]

There are a ton.

[7,052,770]

i'd bet there are over 1000 combinations. . .

[ijohn57s]

i'd bet there are over 1000 combinations. . .

I don't know how many there are, but, obviously there are an awful lot of them.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Including combinations that would include the possibility in either Maine or Nebraska of winning the state but not any of the CD's or vice versa, there are 511,757,326,178,332
 ways for a candidate to get 269 EV's with the current map.

[??????????]

Including combinations that would include the possibility in either Maine or Nebraska of winning the state but not any of the CD's or vice versa, there are 511,757,326,178,332
 ways for a candidate to get 269 EV's with the current map.

I hope you're exaggerating.

[Floridude]

Yes but when one factors in safe states, the reasonable number is decreased drastically.  some of the more possible ones

1. Bush loses WV and NH

2. Bush loses NV and NH

3 Bush loses Missouri, Nevada, and WV and gains Wisconsin or minnestoa

4. Bush loses Ohio and gains Wisconsin and Minnesota

5. Bush loses Florida and Gains Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

5. Bush loses WV, Nevada, but gains one CD in Maine


Obviously these arent the only ones, but I think any of these are possible.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Including combinations that would include the possibility in either Maine or Nebraska of winning the state but not any of the CD's or vice versa, there are 511,757,326,178,332
 ways for a candidate to get 269 EV's with the current map.

I hope you're exaggerating.

Actually, is worse than that.  He's dead, Jim.

I copied the wrong number from the spreadsheet I set up to calculate it.  It's 546,461,480,787,204.  However, as Floridude pointed out, most of these are theortical possibilities that would never happen in real life.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Yes but when one factors in safe states, the reasonable number is decreased drastically.  some of the more possible ones

1. Bush loses WV and NH

2. Bush loses NV and NH

3 Bush loses Missouri, Nevada, and WV and gains Wisconsin or minnestoa

4. Bush loses Ohio and gains Wisconsin and Minnesota

5. Bush loses Florida and Gains Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

5. Bush loses WV, Nevada, but gains one CD in Maine


Obviously these arent the only ones, but I think any of these are possible.

If there's a tie, probably one of the first two there happened.

[minionofmidas]

Including combinations that would include the possibility in either Maine or Nebraska of winning the state but not any of the CD's or vice versa, there are 511,757,326,178,332
 ways for a candidate to get 269 EV's with the current map.

I hope you're exaggerating.

Actually, is worse than that.  He's dead, Jim.

I copied the wrong number from the spreadsheet I set up to calculate it.  It's 546,461,480,787,204.  However, as Floridude pointed out, most of these are theortical possibilities that would never happen in real life.

Electors can defect, right? So, there's as many different ways as there's ways to pick 269 out of 538 people.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

They could, but defect, but I've never heard of an elector switching his vote to the other candidate.  So yes, a 270-268 result coul dbe turned into a 269-268-1 result with all three names going to the House to decide, but  I don't think that anyone was worrying about the C(269,538) [approximately 2.77* 10^157 or well over a google] of potential combinations of electors if they were each considered individually.

[lidaker]

I have the craziest one yet:

Another possible scenario:

[ilikeverin]

Based off the Mock Election

[dbpman]

They could, but defect, but I've never heard of an elector switching his vote to the other candidate.

http://www.electionreform.org/ERMain/priorities/ec/data/faithless.htm

there is a list of electors who changed their vote

[JohnFKennedy]

They could, but defect, but I've never heard of an elector switching his vote to the other candidate.

http://www.electionreform.org/ERMain/priorities/ec/data/faithless.htm

there is a list of electors who changed their vote

None of whom crossed party lines between the Democrats and the Republicans though.

This one I found interesting:

1820 - William Plummer, Sr. (D/R-NH)

In this well-known act of 'patriotism', Plummer apparently changed his vote from Democratic-Republican candidate James Monroe to fellow Democratic-Republican John Quincy Adams (who was not a candidate) supposedly after concluding that no President other than George Washington should be elected with the unanimous vote of the Electoral College.