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The Vorlon
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« on: September 20, 2004, 05:30:23 PM »
« edited: September 20, 2004, 05:41:29 PM by The Vorlon »
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-battleground04-0920print.html

Bush builds upon his huge lead in West Virginia while Tennessee continues to be a squeaker.

Bush has lost 8% in Ohio, while Kerry continues to expand his lead in Wisconsin..

Kerry's 10% lead in MInnesota is about 9-12% different than Gallup and Mason Dixon and Rasmussen and Research 2000, but I assume it is correct.

Enjoy Wink
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2004, 05:39:08 PM »
LOL!!!
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2004, 05:47:03 PM »
Yes, a new shipment of tiolet paper is in!!

Smiley

Well, this gives the Dems something to be hopeful about.  I'm sure that, while Gallup, a long trusted poll has "fallen to sh**t", Zogby is the Dems new best friend.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2004, 06:50:39 PM »
HOORAY!
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2004, 08:08:24 PM »

Predictable.
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Beefalow and the Consumer
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2004, 08:18:12 PM »

Thank you, Vorlon.  I'm sick as a dog right now and pushing up against a deadline at work - so I can't take any sick time.  They say laughter is the best medicine, you provided me with about five good minutes.

Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2004, 08:18:27 PM »
What does Zogby do that is so different?
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2004, 08:21:44 PM »
Makes a fool out of himself on a regular basis. Other than that, he's about the same.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2004, 08:28:01 PM »
Quote from: dougrhess on September 20, 2004, 08:18:27 PM
What does Zogby do that is so different?


He uses Internet polling.  His respondents are not randomly selected, are not proven to be living where they say they are,  may not be old enough to vote, let alone registered to vote and he barely checks to see if his respondents are telling the truth.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2004, 08:46:29 PM »

That was supposed to be a joke.
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The Vorlon
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2004, 08:46:38 PM »
Quote from: Tredrick on September 20, 2004, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: dougrhess on September 20, 2004, 08:18:27 PM
What does Zogby do that is so different?


He uses Internet polling.  His respondents are not randomly selected, are not proven to be living where they say they are,  may not be old enough to vote, let alone registered to vote and he barely checks to see if his respondents are telling the truth.

I live in Canada and voted 6 times in Ohio.

I think this indicate some issues with his poll.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2004, 08:49:59 PM »
Quote from: The Vorlon on September 20, 2004, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Tredrick on September 20, 2004, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: dougrhess on September 20, 2004, 08:18:27 PM
What does Zogby do that is so different?


He uses Internet polling.  His respondents are not randomly selected, are not proven to be living where they say they are,  may not be old enough to vote, let alone registered to vote and he barely checks to see if his respondents are telling the truth.

I live in Canada and voted 6 times in Ohio.

I think this indicate some issues with his poll.

Hey, we're neighbors then.  I'm the old Jewish woman down the street.  I am ex-military and ex-union too.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2004, 09:00:13 PM »
I think that maybe Zogby is just making a fool of himself this year.  In 2000, I took him as a credible source, especially since the WSJ used him as "their" pollster.  Now his results are so far out of whack that they're laughable.  If Bush is seriously faring that poorly in Minnesota, New Mexico, and Oregon, then something has radically shifted in the last few hours.

...and there's no way that Bush is up by 12+ in West Virginia.  Sorry, fellow Repubs, it's just not right.

Zogby didn't use internet polling four years ago, did he?
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The Vorlon
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2004, 12:51:19 AM »
Quote from: J-Mann on September 20, 2004, 09:00:13 PM
I think that maybe Zogby is just making a fool of himself this year.  In 2000, I took him as a credible source, especially since the WSJ used him as "their" pollster.  Now his results are so far out of whack that they're laughable.  If Bush is seriously faring that poorly in Minnesota, New Mexico, and Oregon, then something has radically shifted in the last few hours.

...and there's no way that Bush is up by 12+ in West Virginia.  Sorry, fellow Repubs, it's just not right.

Zogby didn't use internet polling four years ago, did he?

No internet is new for Zogby polls.
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2004, 01:22:41 AM »
Zogby didn't use the internet in his state polls four years ago.

However, they were just as innaccurate as they are today. (California within 1 point of Bush, Gore winning Florida by 10+, etc. etc.)

The only number I ever trust Zogby for is his overall horse race number, and if he gets that wrong this year, he should be as maligned as Rasmussen is now.
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2004, 07:13:05 AM »
I really, really hope Zogby gets it spot on this- just to see how everyone reacts. Your all being childish about this pollster. Accurate or not, the comments made are pretty low.
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2004, 07:30:48 AM »
We're sorry.
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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2004, 12:31:57 PM »
Quote from: afleitch on September 21, 2004, 07:13:05 AM
I really, really hope Zogby gets it spot on this- just to see how everyone reacts. Your all being childish about this pollster. Accurate or not, the comments made are pretty low.

Well said.

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