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Sam Spade
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« on: September 18, 2004, 03:38:26 PM »

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/special_packages/election2004/9700035.htm

Plain Dealer poll: Bush leads Kerry in Ohio 50-42

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CLEVELAND - President Bush leads Sen. John Kerry by 50 percent to 42 percent in Ohio, a state considered crucial by both campaigns, a new poll indicates. Two percent of those surveyed supported Ralph Nader.

The poll commissioned by The Plain Dealer for its Sunday edition was conducted from Sept. 10 to Tuesday by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research of Washington, D.C. It was based on interviews with 1,500 registered voters who plan to vote Nov. 2. The margin of error was 2.5 percentage points.

A May poll by the newspaper showed Bush leading 47 percent to 41 percent. Six percent in the most recent poll said they were undecided, down from 9 percent in May.

A CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll taken Sept. 4 to 7 showed 52 percent of people surveyed in Ohio said they would support Bush and 44 percent backed Kerry. Two percent of the 661 likely voters questioned by telephone said they would vote for Nader, and 4 percent were undecided.

Bush beat Al Gore in Ohio by 3.6 percentage points in 2000. No Republican has won the presidency without Ohio.

Jennifer Palmieri, a spokeswoman for the Kerry campaign in Ohio, said the poll results run counter to other polls that show the race much closer.

Bush spokesman Kevin Madden downplayed the Bush lead in the poll, but he said the president's organization of 64,000 volunteers in Ohio would help Bush win.

Voters surveyed in the Plain Dealer poll said Bush would do a better job of safeguarding America, 55 percent to 36 percent, and handling the situation in Iraq, 54 percent to 40 percent.

The poll indicated that some voters have yet to connect with Kerry and his policies, reflected by the 66 percent of Kerry's supporters who said their dislike of Bush was their top reason for backing Kerry.

Among those surveyed who said they are planning to vote for Bush, 55 percent cited his character and integrity as the top reason, followed by his leadership in the war on terror.

"The numbers will not make Kerry happy but will not make the Bush people breathe easier either," said John Green, director of the Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron. "That's not a big enough lead to guarantee victory."

Green said the lead could be vulnerable based on turnout, upcoming debates and how issues play out, such as Iraq, between now and the election.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2004, 03:46:15 PM »
« Edited: September 18, 2004, 04:05:11 PM by The Vorlon »

Rather interesting.. Wink

Big bunch of flowers to the Plain Dealer for stepping up to the plate to fund a big sample size (N=1500) from a really good firm.

Most of the time the media are real shady, let's acknowledge when they do something right too...

Gallup says Bush by 8 (52/44)
Mason Dixon says Bush By 8 (50/42)

Gallup whacks the leaners a bit harder than M-D which explains the difference in the Undecideds.

Bush won by 3.51 in 2000, lost National PV by 0.52%

8% - (3.51 + 0.52)

=> National lead of 4%

Seems pretty close to the truth to me Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2004, 06:16:40 PM »

Kinda weird that the amount of comments about the poll is inversly proportional to the general quality of the poll.

Again, reasonable enough numbers
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2004, 07:42:50 PM »

Kinda weird that the amount of comments about the poll is inversly proportional to the general quality of the poll.

Again, reasonable enough numbers

If it is done right why comment.    If it is done wrong everyone has something to scream about.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2004, 07:50:24 PM »

Kinda weird that the amount of comments about the poll is inversly proportional to the general quality of the poll.

Again, reasonable enough numbers

If it is done right why comment.    If it is done wrong everyone has something to scream about.

Big sample, entirely reasonable result, solid gold firm.

Not much more to say Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2004, 07:54:34 PM »

Man, who would have thunk Bush would run much better in Ohio than Colorado.  How whacky is that?
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2004, 08:17:54 PM »

Man, who would have thunk Bush would run much better in Ohio than Colorado.  How whacky is that?

Colorado is the state that gave us Rep. Patrica Schroder.  Colorado has the Judge in the Rick Stanley case that said the US. Constitution doesn't apply in Colorado.  I can't think of anything as horrible coming from Ohio.  So I don't think Bush running better in OH than CO is all that wacky.  

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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2004, 09:24:11 PM »

Damn straight.  Bush has this election sewn up.
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