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« on: June 24, 2004, 06:06:38 PM »

Interesting analysis.

Here is the link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-06-23-bush-kerry-cover_x.htm


Time-tested formulas suggest both Bush and Kerry will win on Nov. 2
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The winner of this year's presidential election is already obvious.
      Former Republican national chairman Frank Fahrenkopf Jr. calls the Bush-Kerry race "the most confusing election of any I've ever seen."    
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It's Republican George W. Bush.

Unless it's Democrat John Kerry.

Of six measurements for predicting the outcome of presidential contests, all with excellent track records, each signals a clear outcome in November. The problem is, they're pointing in different directions.

A formula by a Yale University economist that has correctly predicted five of the last six elections shows President Bush winning in the biggest landslide since Ronald Reagan's 49-state victory in 1984. It says Bush is a shoo-in.

But Bush's job-approval rating has slid below 50%; not since Harry Truman in 1948 has a president in that territory won the election. By this standard, Bush is guaranteed to lose.

The rally-round-the-flag reaction to terrorism, the politics of key states and other factors carry such conflicting clues that this election is impossible to predict. Analysts say the crystal balls have been clouded by an evenly divided and polarized electorate, the impact of the war in Iraq and the public's pessimism despite an improving economy.

The result: Both campaigns have ammunition to argue that victory is a sure thing and their opponent is doomed.

"Something new may be going on that means the (old) equation is not that good any more," says Ray Fair, the Yale economist who has been tinkering for a quarter-century on a formula to predict the vote.

Former Republican national chairman Frank Fahrenkopf Jr. calls it "the most confusing election of any I've ever seen."

A look at the conflicting clues:

1. Is it the economy? The smart answer is yes — Advantage: Bush

Presidential elections, especially when an incumbent president is running, typically turn on pocketbook issues. In prosperous times, the president wins. In hard times, he loses.
   

 ECONOMY-SIZE PREDICTIONS       
Yale University economist Ray Fair has developed a model that uses economic statistics alone to predict presidential election outcomes. It has been accurate in five of the last six elections.

Year
   

Incumbent party candidate
   

Predicted vote share{+1}
   

Actual vote share{+1}
   Did the predicted winner actually win?
1980    Jimmy Carter    45.7%    44.7%    Yes
1984    Ronald Reagan    62.0%    59.2%    Yes
1988    George Bush    51.3%    53.9%    Yes
1992    George Bush    51.7%    46.5%    No
1996    Bill Clinton    53.7%    54.7%    Yes
2000    Al Gore    48.9%    50.3%    Yes
1 — percentage of the two-party vote; minor-party candidates not included.
Source: USA TODAY research

Economist Ray Fair's formula is based on that assumption. It uses the nation's growth rate, inflation rate and an economic "good news" calculation to predict what share of the two-party vote the incumbent party will receive. In 18 of the past 22 elections, it predicts the winner.

The formula now forecasts Bush will get more than 58% of the vote this fall, close to the 59% tidal wave that re-elected Ronald Reagan. The Bush campaign sent reporters a memo Tuesday touting the economy as "remarkably similar" to the one Bill Clinton enjoyed in 1996.

But Fair, who also has devised formulas to predict marathon times and the quality of French wine, says it could be wrong this time.

One reason is that foreign policy, from the Sept. 11 attacks to the war in Iraq, may be playing a bigger role than usual.

Another is a disconnect between economists' optimism — over the past three quarters, growth has been the strongest in 20 years — and voters' views that they're still struggling.

Fair believes that a similar disconnect was the culprit the last time his formula erred. In 1992, it predicted that Bush's father would win re-election. He didn't.

2. Low approval usually means removal — Advantage: Kerry

The job-approval rating is the thermometer that pollsters use to take a president's political temperature. Until the final weeks, a president's approval rating has been a more reliable indicator of whether he's going to win than the polling question that gets all the attention: the head-to-head matchup against his opponent.
   
 PERFORMANCE INCENTIVES       
In the last half-century, incumbent presidents with job-approval ratings of 50% or higher in May of the election year ended up winning. Those with approval ratings below 50% lost.

Year
   

President seeking re-election
   

Job approval in May of election year
   

Approval rating over 50%?
   

Did he win?
1956    Dwight Eisenhower    69%    Yes    Yes
1964    Lyndon Johnson    75%    Yes    Yes
1972    Richard Nixon    62%    Yes    Yes
1976    Gerald Ford    47%    No    No
1980    Jimmy Carter    43%    No    No
1984    Ronald Reagan    52%    Yes    Yes
1992    George Bush    40%    No    No
1996    Bill Clinton    55%    Yes    Yes
Source: Gallup Poll

For an incumbent, 50% is considered the dividing line between safe and vulnerable. If his job approval falls below that level, voters are ready to fire him. The issue then becomes whether they are ready to hire the challenger.

"When an incumbent is running for re-election, he's basically asking the voters to approve of the way he's done the first term so he gets a second," says Frank Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup Poll. "It's similar to a CEO. The board continues to renew his contract as long as he's doing well."

The five incumbents since Dwight Eisenhower who won in November had approval ratings that were consistently above 50% by February of the election year. The three who lost had ratings consistently below 50% by March.

That's where Bush finds himself these days — a point the Kerry campaign underscored in a memo with charts sent to reporters late Tuesday that declared Bush's job approval "lower than 'every' incumbent who won re-election."

"He doesn't fit as negative a trajectory as his father or Carter, but neither is he as positive as any of the winners," Newport says of Bush. His rating is closest to Gerald Ford's in 1976. Ford had an approval rating of 47% at this point.

Bush's approval rating in the latest USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll: 47%.

3. In times of war, commander in chief gets sharp salute — Advantage: Bush

When Franklin Roosevelt ran for an unprecedented fourth term in 1944, the Democrats unleashed a powerful slogan: "Don't change horses in midstream." World War II was raging. Despite concerns about the strength of FDR's health and the length of his tenure, voters agreed. He easily won a fourth term.
     
RALLYING 'ROUND THE FLAG-BEARER       
Five presidents have run for re-election during major wars; all won. Note that two presidents chose not to run during wartime: Harry Truman in 1952 (Korean War) and Lyndon Johnson in 1964 (Vietnam).
Year    President    War    Did he win re-election?
1812    James Madison    War of 1812    Yes
1864    Abraham Lincoln    Civil War    Yes
1900    William McKinley    Philippine War    Yes
1944    Franklin Roosevelt    World War II    Yes
1972    Richard Nixon    Vietnam    Yes
Source: USA TODAY research

All five presidents who have run for re-election during major wars have won — from James Madison during the War of 1812 to Richard Nixon during Vietnam. (Two wartime presidents, Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson, chose not to run for another term in part because of public opposition to the wars.)

"Part of it is a rally-'round-the-flag phenomenon, which translates to rally-'round-the-president," says Peter Feaver, a Duke University political scientist and national security analyst. "Part of it is a desire not to reward the enemy by tossing out his enemy, which is the president." He says controversy over Iraq may be "attenuating" this advantage for Bush, though.

Still, security issues have made some voters reluctant to replace the commander in chief. Democratic pollster Celinda Lake says that's particularly true among middle-class suburban women who are prime targets for Kerry.

"People are risk-averse in wartime," she says.

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2004, 06:06:57 PM »

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4. As goes Ohio, so does GOP ... and it's not going well — Advantage: Kerry

From Abraham Lincoln to George W. Bush, no Republican has been elected president without carrying Ohio. In 2000, Bush won the state, but by just 3.5 percentage points and only after Al Gore abandoned campaign efforts there.
     
THE BUCKEYE FACTOR       
No Republican has won a presidential election without carrying Ohio. A look at the last six elections:
Year    GOP candidate    Did he carry Ohio?    Did he win the election?
1980    Ronald Reagan    Yes    Yes
1984    Ronald Reagan    Yes    Yes
1988    George Bush    Yes    Yes
1992    George Bush    No    No
1996    Bob Dole    No    No
2000    George W. Bush    Yes    Yes
Source: USA TODAY research

This time, Kerry leads in three of the last four statewide polls, though in two of them the margin was too small to be statistically significant. The latest survey, taken by the Los Angeles Times June 5-8, put Kerry at 46%, Bush at 45%.

That's a red flag for Bush. At best, he's even in the Buckeye State.

The president is vulnerable because Ohio, like other states in the Rust Belt, has been battered by the loss of manufacturing jobs during his term. In Stark County — a bellwether county in this bellwether state — Timken last month announced it was closing three steel plants; vacuum manufacturer Hoover this month decided to close its headquarters and move it to Iowa. Unemployment already was at 9.9% in the Stark County city of Canton, well above the national average.

"Who was it, Ronald Reagan, who said, 'Are you better off than you were four years ago?' " Stark County Democratic chairman Johnnie Maier asks. "John Kerry should be asking the same question."

Janet Creighton has been the mayor of Canton for 19 years and is Bush's campaign chairwoman for Stark and seven surrounding counties. "I would say we're holding our own" on the economy, she says. But she adds, "We have to stand on the record. I understand that."

5. Democrats all too familiar with Southern discomfort — Advantage: Bush

The three Democrats who occupied the White House over the past four decades shared a home region: the South.
   
DOWN IN DIXIE       
In the past 40 years, no Democrat from any region except the South has won the presidency.
Year    Democratic candidate    Home region (state)    Did he win?
1964    Lyndon Johnson    South (Texas)    Yes
1968    Hubert Humphrey    Midwest (Minn.)    No
1972    George McGovern    Midwest (S.D.)    No
1976    Jimmy Carter    South (Ga.)    Yes
1980    Jimmy Carter    South (Ga.)    No
1984    Walter Mondale    Midwest (Minn.)    No
1988    Michael Dukakis    Northeast (Mass.)    No
1992    Bill Clinton    South (Ark.)    Yes
1996    Bill Clinton    South (Ark.)    Yes
2000    Al Gore    South (Tenn.)    No
Source: USA TODAY research

Lyndon Johnson of Texas, Jimmy Carter of Georgia and Bill Clinton of Arkansas won their elections. In contrast, South Dakotan George McGovern and Minnesotan Walter Mondale managed to carry just two states between them. And the last time a Democrat from Massachusetts was nominated, in 1988, Michael Dukakis was trounced by the elder Bush.

Analysts say Southern Democrats do well not just because they carry some Southern states — although each of those three presidents managed to do that — but also because of the kind of politics they learned back home.

"To win elections in the South, Southern Democrats have had to learn how to build coalitions, how to reach outside the party's base — to mix conservative, moderate and liberal themes," says Ferrel Guillory, director of the Southern Politics, Media and Public Life program at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. "Having to negotiate the turbulent political waters in the South serves them well in facing a national electorate."

Southern Democrats tend to be centrists, particularly on such cultural issues as gun control, the death penalty and gay rights.

In contrast, some of Kerry's votes that were in tune with his constituents in Massachusetts could create heartburn for him now. In 1996, for instance, he was one of just 14 senators to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act defining marriage as between a man and a woman. The president who signed that bill: Clinton.

6. But really, just how do the two candidates measure up? — Advantage: Kerry

Then there's the question of presidential stature. Literally.

Since the advent of the television age, the taller candidate for president has almost always won the election. And it has been more than a century since a shorter-than-average man was elected to the White House. That was William McKinley, who at 5-foot-7 was ridiculed as a "little boy" when he ran in 1896.
     

HEIGHT OF CAMPAIGN SEASON       
Only once in the last six elections has the shorter candidate won.
Year    Winner    Height    Loser    Height    Did the taller candidate win?
1980    Ronald Reagan    6'1"    Jimmy Carter    5'9 1/2"    Yes
1984    Ronald Reagan    6'1"    Walter Mondale    5'11"    Yes
1988    George Bush    6'2"    Michael Dukakis    5'8 1/2"    Yes
1992    Bill Clinton    6'2"    George Bush    6'2"    Same height
1996    Bill Clinton    6'2"    Bob Dole    6'1"    Yes
2000    George W. Bush    5'11 3/4"    Al Gore    6'1"    No
Source: USA TODAY research


The reasons are more than coincidental, according to Timothy Judge, a management professor at the University of Florida in Gainesville. In a study published in the spring issue of the Journal of Applied Psychology, he found that taller people generally tend to receive higher evaluations and be paid more even when the job involved has nothing to do with height.

Taller people are seen as more authoritative and as stronger leaders, he says. That could be a remnant of human evolution, he speculates, when the species' survival in the jungle or on the plains depended on strength and power.

But the Presidential Height Index isn't foolproof. In one race in the past quarter-century, the shorter candidate won. That was in 2000, when the 5-113/4 Bush beat the 6-1 Al Gore.

In 2004, though, Bush will have more to overcome: Kerry is 6-foot-4.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2004, 07:55:13 PM »

That is very intersting, although an intersting point with the fact that winning Democrats are from and therefore win the South, is that Kerry could not win ANY southern states but as long as he maintains the Gore states and wins in Ohio he will win.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2004, 08:00:30 PM »

That is very intersting, although an intersting point with the fact that winning Democrats are from and therefore win the South, is that Kerry could not win ANY southern states but as long as he maintains the Gore states and wins in Ohio he will win.

Ture, but that can also be countered.  They say that no Republican has ever won the election without winning Ohio.  True, but up until 2000 no Republican had ever won with out carrying Illinois, either.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2004, 09:56:58 PM »

Its very simple.

All of the indices favoring Bush are independent of polls.

All the indices favoring Kerry are polls.

The problem is that many of the polls were recalibrated after the 2000 election, increasing the Democrat percentage even though a thorough survey done for PEW indicates that the Democrat advantage since 2000 in partisan identification is less now than then.

I suspect there are going to be a lot of pollsters with egg on their face in November.

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2004, 10:08:20 PM »

Its very simple.

All of the indices favoring Bush are independent of polls.

All the indices favoring Kerry are polls.

The problem is that many of the polls were recalibrated after the 2000 election, increasing the Democrat percentage even though a thorough survey done for PEW indicates that the Democrat advantage since 2000 in partisan identification is less now than then.

I suspect there are going to be a lot of pollsters with egg on their face in November.



Agreed. We'll find out on election day that Kerry really is only 6'1", and Bush is actually 6'3"! Smiley

The supposed height advantage for Kerry is a myth perpetuated by the liberal media.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2004, 10:11:31 PM »

Its very simple.

All of the indices favoring Bush are independent of polls.

All the indices favoring Kerry are polls.

The problem is that many of the polls were recalibrated after the 2000 election, increasing the Democrat percentage even though a thorough survey done for PEW indicates that the Democrat advantage since 2000 in partisan identification is less now than then.

I suspect there are going to be a lot of pollsters with egg on their face in November.



Agreed. We'll find out on election day that Kerry really is only 6'1", and Bush is actually 6'3"! Smiley

The supposed height advantage for Kerry is a myth perpetuated by the liberal media.

The whole Liberal Media thing I don't get. A) Where is the proof? B) Why would a large corparation be Liberal? Wouldn't they go for the party that gives them tax breaks and the like?
I do think the media has a pro-scandal bias, in a sense.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2004, 10:17:03 PM »

My comment was a joke. Carl Hayden said that all of the advantages for Kerry were based on polls, which he says are liberally biased. I don't think Kerry being 4 inches taller than Bush is based on polls, however. Smiley

I agree that the media is biased in favor of their own profit margin, not one party or the other. Which shouldn't be surprising, as every other business in America has the same bias. There's no reason why the media would act contrary to their own economic interests when no other corporations work that way.
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2004, 12:05:32 PM »

Sorry guys, but three different methods show a liberal bias in most of the media.

First, a large number of surveys indicate the public perceives a liberal bias.

Second, when the members of the media a polled, they consistently indicate a pro-liberal/anti-conservative and pro-Democrat/anti-Republican preference.

Third, studies of the coverage by the old three network evening news (ABC, CBS and NBC), as well as those of newspapers such as the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post etc. all indicate a consistent pro-liberal/anti- conservative and pro-Democrat/anti-Republican bias.

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2004, 01:48:59 PM »

Its not a liberal bias, only a pro-Democrat bias.  The Democrats aren't even liberal anymore, just anti-Bush and anti-Republican.  They go out one day bombing Iraq for having WMD, then excoriate a Republican for the same.  This is the behavior of unprincipled people with no real belief system.  The media mirrors this.
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2004, 12:08:50 AM »
« Edited: June 26, 2004, 10:05:34 AM by CARLHAYDEN »

First, the bias is predominately liberal, and secondarily Democrat oriented.

Second, the effective meaning of liberal and conservative in the United States fundamentally changed about a decade ago.  

Economic liberalism was thoroughly discredited to the extent that liberal Democrats do not openly advocate economic collectivism.

While the liberals still loathe the military, given that it is one of the most respected organizations among the public they have somewhat muzzled their underlying hatred of the brave men and women in the armed forces.

Liberals are pro-abortion (they try to claim they are pro-choice, but this is a big lie.  Ask them if they believe people should have a choice of where their tax money goes for eductation, and you'll see they are a bunch of rabid stalinists, i.e. anti-choice).  They want to take firearms away from non-liberals, NOT because it would reduce crime (as they alledge in their blatant lies), but because they yearn for a totalitarian state which will inflict political correctness on others (whom they would render defenseless).  They believe people should be judged not on their individual merits, but on the color of their skin and sexual preference (they call this racist and sexist bigotry, "affirmative action" because they dare not call it by its true name).


I could go on and cite other examples of the liberal mind set which runs the liberal media.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2004, 10:04:31 PM »

Interesting analysis.

Here is the link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-06-23-bush-kerry-cover_x.htm


Time-tested formulas suggest both Bush and Kerry will win on Nov. 2
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The winner of this year's presidential election is already obvious.
      Former Republican national chairman Frank Fahrenkopf Jr. calls the Bush-Kerry race "the most confusing election of any I've ever seen."    
AP/Getty Images

It's Republican George W. Bush.

Unless it's Democrat John Kerry.

Of six measurements for predicting the outcome of presidential contests, all with excellent track records, each signals a clear outcome in November. The problem is, they're pointing in different directions.


They left out the NH primary indicator. No major opposition = re-election.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2004, 12:05:39 AM »

I like how everyone forgets that twice as many newspapers endorsed Bush as Gore.
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