Moderate Talk Radio?

[Lunar]

I didn't get that from MediaMatters, I got it from a Republican blog funny enough.  They were critical, obv

[Joe Republic]

And Lunar, the left wing hack, supports MediaDoesn'tMatter...so, he's far from an unbiased source.

Channeling CARLHAYDEN?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I think it's amusing that you think "being moderate" is an ideology,

I think its amusing that you think being a moderate isn't an ideology.  Are you channeling Rush Limbaugh today?

Perhaps. There is no moderate ideology. There are many different positions between different extremes, but they are no more ideologically coherent between each other than extreme positions would be.

Consider, perhaps, BushOklahoma and Torie on this forum. They are both "moderate"--they hold positions which do not fit well into either political party or either label of "liberal" or "conservative" but rather place them on balance between the two. Yet their own positions are no more coherent with each other than they are with the Republicans or the Democrats. Indeed, BushOklahoma might be more likely to disagree with Torie than with an ultraconservative Republican, and similar in reverse for Torie.

We could say the same even of people within a certain category of moderate ideology. You might, for example, find myself and Torie often in agreement but also often in disagreement, perhaps as often as either might disagree with a liberal Democrat or a conservative Republican.

There is therefore no unified moderate ideology, and to call for one is absurd. There cannot be, for so-called moderates are as varied from one another as so-called extremists.

Where is the unified conservative ideology?  Where is the unified liberal ideology?  Is conservatism a moderated form of right-wing reactionism or is it distinct?  Is liberalism a moderated form of socialism, which might be a moderated form of Communism, or is it distinct?

Is there a point on the Political Compass/Matrix that is the exact point of Conservatism?  Is there a point on the Political Compass/Matrix that is the exact point of Liberalism?  Of course not.  Hell, there are plenty of countries where there are battles fought between Marxist-Lenninist Communists and Maoist Communists but would you say that they are without ideology?

My ideas are just as coherent and just as principled at E 1.03 S -2.26 as yours or Phil's or Opebo's or anyone else's are.  To say otherwise is nothing short of ideological bigotry.

[Keystone Phil]

I think it's amusing that you think "being moderate" is an ideology,

I think its amusing that you think being a moderate isn't an ideology.  Are you channeling Rush Limbaugh today?

Perhaps. There is no moderate ideology. There are many different positions between different extremes, but they are no more ideologically coherent between each other than extreme positions would be.

Consider, perhaps, BushOklahoma and Torie on this forum. They are both "moderate"--they hold positions which do not fit well into either political party or either label of "liberal" or "conservative" but rather place them on balance between the two. Yet their own positions are no more coherent with each other than they are with the Republicans or the Democrats. Indeed, BushOklahoma might be more likely to disagree with Torie than with an ultraconservative Republican, and similar in reverse for Torie.

We could say the same even of people within a certain category of moderate ideology. You might, for example, find myself and Torie often in agreement but also often in disagreement, perhaps as often as either might disagree with a liberal Democrat or a conservative Republican.

There is therefore no unified moderate ideology, and to call for one is absurd. There cannot be, for so-called moderates are as varied from one another as so-called extremists.

Where is the unified conservative ideology?  Where is the unified liberal ideology?  Is conservatism a moderated form of right-wing reactionism or is it distinct?  Is liberalism a moderated form of socialism, which might be a moderated form of Communism, or is it distinct?

Is there a point on the Political Compass/Matrix that is the exact point of Conservatism?  Is there a point on the Political Compass/Matrix that is the exact point of Liberalism?  Of course not.  Hell, there are plenty of countries where there are battles fought between Marxist-Lenninist Communists and Maoist Communists but would you say that they are without ideology?

No but you obviously know that conservatives/conservative leaning folks rally around more of the same points than moderates can. Same with liberals.

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Stop with the whining about this fake accusation that moderates are unprincipled. We're not saying that.

Moderates do not have nearly as much to rally around as a group. You know this. Stop being so stubborn.

[Verily]

I think it's amusing that you think "being moderate" is an ideology,

I think its amusing that you think being a moderate isn't an ideology.  Are you channeling Rush Limbaugh today?

Perhaps. There is no moderate ideology. There are many different positions between different extremes, but they are no more ideologically coherent between each other than extreme positions would be.

Consider, perhaps, BushOklahoma and Torie on this forum. They are both "moderate"--they hold positions which do not fit well into either political party or either label of "liberal" or "conservative" but rather place them on balance between the two. Yet their own positions are no more coherent with each other than they are with the Republicans or the Democrats. Indeed, BushOklahoma might be more likely to disagree with Torie than with an ultraconservative Republican, and similar in reverse for Torie.

We could say the same even of people within a certain category of moderate ideology. You might, for example, find myself and Torie often in agreement but also often in disagreement, perhaps as often as either might disagree with a liberal Democrat or a conservative Republican.

There is therefore no unified moderate ideology, and to call for one is absurd. There cannot be, for so-called moderates are as varied from one another as so-called extremists.

Where is the unified conservative ideology?  Where is the unified liberal ideology?  Is conservatism a moderated form of right-wing reactionism or is it distinct?  Is liberalism a moderated form of socialism, which might be a moderated form of Communism, or is it distinct?

There is not really a unified ideology at any other position, either. Thus there is a variety of "conservative" talk radio. Limbaugh is of the ultra-partisan variety, which in particular "moderate" politics must by definition lack (for it cannot define itself as in opposition to some other single ideology). There are also fundamentalist Christian talk radio shows, anti-immigration ranters, etc. But they have something in common, and something also in common with what little "liberal" talk radio there is: They stake out a (fairly extreme) position on an issue, or group of issues, and get angry about it.

"Moderate" talk radio cannot exist because most self-described moderates agree with at least some of the extreme positions. A Christian communalist might like the fundamentalist talk shows. An economic rightist with liberal social leanings might appreciate right-wing economic commentary. A social-liberal might agree with what liberal radio has to say about the death penalty or gay rights. They may or may not appreciate what else these programs have to say... but is moderate talk radio to try to combine them? Clearly not. Yet how else could they appeal?

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No. If the battle is between Marxist-Leninists and Maoists (and there are no such countries, but you apparently think there are), then the moderate position is somewhere between those two. I am not up on the exact distinctions between them, other than the industrial-agricultural divide, but I imagine self-proclaimed moderates, those who staked out a position between Marxism-Leninism and Maoism, would have just as difficult a time expressing themselves in a talk radio format as US moderates.

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I did not say otherwise. I said that your ideas are not coherent with other self-proclaimed moderates' ideas. And this is pretty obvious when you think about it. You disagree with plenty of so-called moderate posters a lot. You may support them anyway because of some kind of sympathy for other moderates, but I doubt they feel the same way unless they too see moderatism as a kind of partisan ideology as you do.

[Lunar]

And Lunar, the left wing hack, supports MediaDoesn'tMatter...so, he's far from an unbiased source.

Channeling CARLHAYDEN?

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