Lincoln Pushes Final Nail Into EFCA's Coffin

[Lunar]

make 'em talk for 30 hours

Seriously. What the hell is Reid's problem? Obama made his support of the EFCA perfectly clear a number of times during the campaign, and he own by 10 million goddamn votes. We have 59 seats in the Senate. We have +80 or whatever seats in the House. Why the  do we have to pretend that these right-wing Republicans and their right-wing Democratic moderate hero hack allies are still relevant?

How much did Obama improve on Kerry's margin in Arkansas again?  I forget but I remember it was really, really a lot

[Associate Justice PiT]

     
     Perhaps if you consider having the ability to unionize more easily a civil liberty.

Isn't it?

     Perhaps if you consider having the ability to unionize more easily a civil liberty.

Which I do.

     No.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civil+liberty

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[Ronnie]

Its amusing how shameless the opposition to this is. All EFCA does is make it easier for unions to be organized. That's it. That is all.

There is no opposition to this other than "I hate unions."

Yeah, and it also makes it so that labor leaders would be able to threaten workers for not voting for their agendas.

People should have privacy in their votes, no?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

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Using a dictionary to define what should be defined by political scientists?

WRONG!!!

WRONG!!!

"You voted for the wrong jerk...in the wrong year..."

[© tweed]

make 'em talk for 30 hours

Seriously. What the hell is Reid's problem? Obama made his support of the EFCA perfectly clear a number of times during the campaign, and he own by 10 million goddamn votes. We have 59 seats in the Senate. We have +80 or whatever seats in the House. Why the  do we have to pretend that these right-wing Republicans and their right-wing Democratic moderate hero hack allies are still relevant?

How much did Obama improve on Kerry's margin in Arkansas again?  I forget but I remember it was really, really a lot

then, Udall...

[Nym90]

Its amusing how shameless the opposition to this is. All EFCA does is make it easier for unions to be organized. That's it. That is all.

There is no opposition to this other than "I hate unions."

Yeah, and it also makes it so that labor leaders would be able to threaten workers for not voting for their agendas.

People should have privacy in their votes, no?

As it stands now, the employer can campaign against a union at the workplace, but employees cannot campaign in favor of one in the workplace.

It's kinda like if a congressional candidate wasn't allowed to campaign within his own district.

As I've said all along, the fundamental question is not whether labor or management should have more power, the question is whether or not labor should have any power at all, or whether management should be able to dictate all of the terms of the employment contract. The latter arrangement makes the fundamental assumption that I refuse to make that laborers are nothing more than cogs in a machine and should be treated as such.

That's leaving aside the obvious conclusion that higher wages are better for the economy and all that.

[Rowan]

The employees work for the employer, why should they have more power than the employer? They already have the right to unionize, so what the hell more do they want, except to be greedy bastards?

[Brandon H]

I'd almost ask if these union leaders would give up their right to a secret ballot when voting in elections, but it's pretty obvious who most of them vote for anyway.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

So what are the odds of a general strike? There should be one.

[Rowan]

So what are the odds of a general strike? There should be one.

That will make unions sooooo popular.

[Lunar]

I'd almost ask if these union leaders would give up their right to a secret ballot when voting in elections

They'd probably prefer that.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I'd almost ask if these union leaders would give up their right to a secret ballot when voting in elections

They'd probably prefer that.

     I used to know a union man who was also a partisan Republican. If they gave up their secret ballot in regular elections then they could know if anyone does that.

[Lief 🗽]

Yes, because elections for President have the same conditions and environment as an election to unionize a workplace.

[War on Want]

I love it when Republicans say members of unions are greedy. It is quite comical.

[Nym90]

The employees work for the employer, why should they have more power than the employer? They already have the right to unionize, so what the hell more do they want, except to be greedy bastards?

Both are vital to the success of the workplace. And like I said, no one is saying they should have more power or even equal power for that matter. The question is whether they should have some power or none at all.

And while it's easy to think of unions as "they", anyone who enjoys such benefits as weekends, 40 hour work weeks, overtime pay, paid vacation time, health and safety standards, insurance benefits, etc. has unions to thank for that. The very threat of unionization greatly increases pay and benefits for everyone, union member or not. If not for the possibility of the formation of a union, management would have basically no business incentive to treat you like a human being.