I actually do kind of feel bad for Hillary for one thing

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The fact that her most notable accomplishment won't be remembered. That was her upset in New Hampshire. Because that was huge. Like the US defeating the Soviet Union at Lake Placid level of an upset. One of the biggest upsets in US political history. But no one's going to remember how big it is. Even now the media just refers to it as an "upset". Not noting how big it is.

Of course she probably wouldn't have got her consolation prize without it, so it wasn't all for waste, but no one's going to remember how big that was.

[Flying Dog]

Yeah, that definitely was the upset of 2008. Probably almost up there with DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN.

 

[Stranger in a strange land]

Yeah, that definitely was the upset of 2008. Probably almost up there with DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN.

 

and because I wrongly believed that it was partly due to the Bradley Effect, I was on edge all the way up to November 4.

But yes, huge upset.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

That was a hard night, honestly probably my only really devastating night of 2008. But it's all hindsight now.

[Lief 🗽]

Nah, the bigger upset was Obama winning the nomination. His upset stretched across six months though, while hers happened in four hours.

[Eraserhead]

Nah, the bigger upset was Obama winning the nomination. His upset stretched across six months though, while hers happened in four hours.

That's what I was thinking. The polling was just pretty jacked up for whatever reason. We shouldn't really be surprised that Clinton played well there.

[Flying Dog]

Nah, the bigger upset was Obama winning the nomination. His upset stretched across six months though, while hers happened in four hours.

I think a lot of people viewed him as potentially  the "Anti-Hillary" that would unite the secondary candidate factions to defeat her -- that's what I hoped/predicted from 2007.

I don't think anybody, except the most hard-core Hillary hacks, a win for her in NH. I remember people were not debating whether Obama would win or not but rather the margin.

[King]

I feel that John McCain rallying the independents to vote in the Republican Primary over the Democratic Primary is what gave Hillary that upset.

[Robespierre's Jaw]

Sure Senator Clinton's victory over Senator Obama in the New Hampshire Primary was a major primary upset, but it was nowhere as near as Senator Obama winning the Democratic Nomination in 2008. Sure many people, inclusive of myself expected the Junior Senator to win the Nomination in late 2007, even earlier, but no one can deny how big of an upset that was considering Senator Clinton lead throughout most of the campaign, even up until December 2007.

[Padfoot]

I honestly don't think its really that big of a deal.  Sure it was completely unexpected but I would put it on par with Dewey beats Truman.  Ultimately, history is never kind to losers, especially not primary losers.  Elections in general get very little mention in the way of specific details like this in history textbooks.  And that's the way it should be, really.  High School students don't spend an entire unit covering Barry Goldwater and Adlai Stevenson because they were never elected to be president.

Also, I think its insulting to Hillary to say her most notable accomplishment is winning some stupid primary in one state, especially since she didn't even win the nomination.  There are surely more noteworthy things she has done as first lady and as a Senator.  Plus, she's guaranteed to make a huge historical impact as Secretary of State.

When they go to write the high school history textbooks about this era, Hillary will of course be mentioned.  She was first lady during a presidential sex scandal, she became the first former first lady to be elected to Congress, she was the first serious female contender for the White House, and she will be serving as Secretary of State in the administration of the country's first black president.  Surely there's got to be something more noteworthy in there than winning some stupid primary in New Hampshire.

[Meeker]

She should go cry about it.

[Mr. Morden]

Nah, the bigger upset was Obama winning the nomination. His upset stretched across six months though, while hers happened in four hours.

If you'd polled the political pundits (or this forum, for that matter) just about any time between July 2007 and November 2007, they would have said that McCain winning the GOP nomination was more of a longshot than Obama winning the Democratic nomination.  McCain was considered more politically dead during that time than Obama ever was.

[Meeker]

Nah, the bigger upset was Obama winning the nomination. His upset stretched across six months though, while hers happened in four hours.

If you'd polled the political pundits (or this forum, for that matter) just about any time between July 2007 and November 2007, they would have said that McCain winning the GOP nomination was more of a longshot than Obama winning the Democratic nomination.  McCain was considered more politically dead during that time than Obama ever was.

Yea, McCain winning the nomination was easily the best comeback story of the cycle. The man's campaign was flying coach during the summer of 2007 and a few months later he was the party's nominee.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There are surely more noteworthy things she has done as first lady and as a Senator.

Such as?

[Linus Van Pelt]

I doubt Hillary would be secretary of state if she had just flamed out basically after the first few primaries - which would have been much more likely (though by no means guaranteed) after losing NH. If this is true, it wouldn't have all been for nothing.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There are surely more noteworthy things she has done as first lady and as a Senator.

Such as?

Running for President. Shocking everyone by winning New Hampshire.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There are surely more noteworthy things she has done as first lady and as a Senator.

Such as?

Running for President. Shocking everyone by winning New Hampshire.

So in other words exactly what I'm talking about...

[JohnCA246]

That was a bigger upset than Dewey Truman.  The pollster stopped polling that election, and only had Dewey up by something like 3-4 with a week or two to g, and Id assume it was worse back then.  Polling in NH was up to the day of the election, and there were dozens saying Obama.  Honestly NH was probably the biggest upset ever in the US.

[Beet]

You're forgetting eerie parallels to the 1988 New Hampshire Republican primary

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Bush, the establishment candidate, had a "dismal third-place finish in the 1988 Iowa caucus." I remember thinking the Sunday prior to the election, "If Clinton can create dynamics like the 1988 Republican primary, she can win."

[King]

There are surely more noteworthy things she has done as first lady and as a Senator.

Such as?

Running for President. Shocking everyone by winning New Hampshire.

So in other words exactly what I'm talking about...

She killed Bosnians with her bare hands.

[Psychic Octopus]

yes, It was only an HUGE upset because the 18-29 voters decided to stay home that day. I don't blame myself.