Republican cities that vote Obama

[politicaladdict]

I was wondering how Obama got the most prominent republican cities that not even Clinton got

For example, Obama got

Reno and Carson City, Nevada

Dallas and Houston, Texas

Cincinnati, Ohio

Tampa, Florida

Salt Lake City, Utah

San Diego, California

and probably more.


It seems that Obama generally got almost all cities. why is that?

Is it that many people want change? I know there also those who didn't vote for Obama or Mccain. Does that have anything to do with it?

Obama got 52.87% of the vote while Mccain got 45.62% of the vote.
More likely way less for Mccain than an Increase for Obama which tells me alot didn't vote for Mccain or Obama.

Is this because Mccain wasn't that conservative enough?

I know this guy who originally voted for Ron Paul, but eventually voted for Obama because he said that Republicans used to be for a stimulus bill(presumbly the bailout) but says that republicans are now lying about not wanting a stimulus just to hurt Obama.

The truth is, that CONSERVATIVE-REPUBLICANS never wanted a stimulus or bailout, just the moderates.   

So if people are also voting Obama this reason ,this is just retarded. Voting for someone for an itsy-bitsy reason.

I don't think this country is Left, I think it's still a Centre-Right country. So, there something else to voting for this guy than liberalism.

[Smash255]

It has nothing to do with McCain not being conservative enough.   Conservatives still came out and voted Republican in numbers they have in the past.  The biggest loss for the GOP over the past few years have been among self described moderates who went overwhelmingly for Obama.

The economy obviously played a big role, not so much with the bailout, but the fact that the American public deeply disapproved of Bush and his economic policies.  McCain positioned himself very close to Bush on economic issues, while Obama did not.

[Joe Republic]

Cincinnati is 43% black.  Dallas and Houston are both 24% black, 42% Hispanic/Latino.  Tampa is 26% black, 20% Hispanic/Latino.  San Diego is 8% black, 25% Hispanic/Latino, 14% Asian.

Hope that helps.

[Alcon]

I'm quite sure that Clinton won Salt Lake City.  Kerry won Salt Lake City.  Salt Lake City proper is actually rather left-leaning.  Same goes for pretty much all cities on your list.  It was actually the counties that Obama won, and in nearly every case here, the cities themselves are a minority of their counties.

Obama won these areas in part because of demographic changes, and in part because he was an urban-friendly candidate in a Democratic year.  He also did the best among racial minorities, which tend to be found in cities, of any candidate in history.  But these results were about the suburbs just as much as the cities.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Cincinnati is 43% black.  Dallas and Houston are both 24% black, 42% Hispanic/Latino.  Tampa is 26% black, 20% Hispanic/Latino.  San Diego is 8% black, 25% Hispanic/Latino, 14% Asian.

Hope that helps.

But they all voted for Bush in 2004.
So what's exactly your point?

[Alcon]

Cincinnati is 43% black.  Dallas and Houston are both 24% black, 42% Hispanic/Latino.  Tampa is 26% black, 20% Hispanic/Latino.  San Diego is 8% black, 25% Hispanic/Latino, 14% Asian.

Hope that helps.

But they all voted for Bush in 2004.
So what's exactly your point?

Maybe Houston did, I forget.  The rest certainly did not.  Y'all are confusing counties and cities.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Cincinnati is 43% black.  Dallas and Houston are both 24% black, 42% Hispanic/Latino.  Tampa is 26% black, 20% Hispanic/Latino.  San Diego is 8% black, 25% Hispanic/Latino, 14% Asian.

Hope that helps.

But they all voted for Bush in 2004.
So what's exactly your point?

Maybe Houston did, I forget.  The rest certainly did not.  Y'all are confusing counties and cities.

I remember another thread where we were talking about that.
Perhaps they were talking there about counties or even metropolitan areas.

[Joe Republic]

Cincinnati is 43% black.  Dallas and Houston are both 24% black, 42% Hispanic/Latino.  Tampa is 26% black, 20% Hispanic/Latino.  San Diego is 8% black, 25% Hispanic/Latino, 14% Asian.

Hope that helps.

But they all voted for Bush in 2004.
So what's exactly your point?

... I have to spell it out?

[riceowl]

is Houston really a republican city?

[Sbane]

Cincinnati is 43% black.  Dallas and Houston are both 24% black, 42% Hispanic/Latino.  Tampa is 26% black, 20% Hispanic/Latino.  San Diego is 8% black, 25% Hispanic/Latino, 14% Asian.

Hope that helps.

I am quite sure the OP meant county and not city and thus your comment is irrelevant. Unless this is the demographics for the counties in which case my bad.

Oh and your sig is absolutely awesome. I love south Indian movies even though I don't understand a word.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

None of the cities mentioned voted for Bush except Carson City, which isn't very big either so...

[memphis]

Based on results, I'm guessing you're thinking more about the counties these cities are in rather than the cities themselves. In almost every case, the answer is a nationwide (with a few pockets of exceptions) Dem wave and the further movement of Republicans to the exurbs in other counties.

[politicaladdict]

Thanks for the info! Your right, I just assumed that maybe the biggest cities within a county,dictated the outcome of a vote. But I can't seem to find anything about cities or towns within a county results. Can someone help me out with that?

[Alcon]

Thanks for the info! Your right, I just assumed that maybe the biggest cities within a county,dictated the outcome of a vote. But I can't seem to find anything about cities or towns within a county results. Can someone help me out with that?

Like I said in the other thread, I'll be happy to research for you.

You may want to look up Wikipedia on some of these cities.  For random instance, Salt Lake City has a population of 181,000.  Salt Lake County is over 1 million.  That's an extreme case, but many major cities are less than half of their county.

[pbrower2a]

I was wondering how Obama got the most prominent republican cities that not even Clinton got

For example, Obama got

Reno and Carson City, Nevada

Dallas and Houston, Texas

Cincinnati, Ohio

Tampa, Florida

Salt Lake City, Utah

San Diego, California

and probably more.


It seems that Obama generally got almost all cities. why is that?

Is it that many people want change? I know there also those who didn't vote for Obama or Mccain. Does that have anything to do with it?

Obama got 52.87% of the vote while Mccain got 45.62% of the vote.
More likely way less for Mccain than an Increase for Obama which tells me alot didn't vote for Mccain or Obama.

Is this because Mccain wasn't that conservative enough?

I know this guy who originally voted for Ron Paul, but eventually voted for Obama because he said that Republicans used to be for a stimulus bill(presumbly the bailout) but says that republicans are now lying about not wanting a stimulus just to hurt Obama.

The truth is, that CONSERVATIVE-REPUBLICANS never wanted a stimulus or bailout, just the moderates.   

So if people are also voting Obama this reason ,this is just retarded. Voting for someone for an itsy-bitsy reason.

I don't think this country is Left, I think it's still a Centre-Right country. So, there something else to voting for this guy than liberalism.

You could have added a bunch of small cities in Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia.

Population density seems to be the strongest connection between communities voting Democratic or Republican (as I noticed by playing with an analytical tool offered a couple montns ago by the New York Times). I forget what the level was, but counties under a certain level of population density tended to vote for McCain and those of denser population voted for Obama. A relatively small number of county-level governments (which includes numerous "independent cities" in Virginia) voted for Obama about 2-1 as a group, and less-densely-populated places, the vast majority, voted for McCain. An extreme example: the most densely-populated county is Manhattan, and it voted about 87-13 for Obama. The least-densely-populated county, Loving County in Texas voted for McCain by a similar margin.  Manhattan of course hardly serves as a microcosm of America, but it certainly has lots of people.

As I recall the most densely-populated counties or independent cities to go for McCain were Richmond (Staten Island) NY, Monmouth County NJ,  Orange County CA, Colonial Heights VA (a small independent city -- what did I say about Virginia?). Tarrant County (greater Fort Worth) TX,  Cobb County and Gwinnett County  (some Atlanta suburbs) GA, and Tulsa County OK.  It's not simply the size of a community that maters; such small cities as Fredericksburg, Bristol, and Harrisonburg VA voted for Obama despite the surrounding counties  (decidedly more rural) voting for  McCain.  Affluent suburbanites (the richest county in America is Loudoun County VA) could vote for Obama.

Obama began to win suburbia as no prior Democrat. The old distinction between urban core cities and half-urban suburbia is no longer so blatant as it once was. Suburbia has become genuinely urban, and for now the Democrats have caught on as the Republicans haven't. Most notably the cost of effective government services is much higher than in rural America, including not only education and law enforcement, but also transportation.  Two-lane blacktops might be adequate in most of rural America except on interurban highways that county governments do not build or maintain, but eight-lane expressways might be wholly inadequate in some suburbs. Note well that the rebuilding of an eight-lane expressway into a twelve-lane expressway in suburbia is extremely costly due to costs of property condemnation and bridge reconstruction. 

Calls for "small government", a traditional GOP mantra, have begun to fail in suburbia.