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Flying Dog
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« Reply #75 on: July 09, 2008, 08:36:07 PM »

They can compare it to a lot of other things other than Nazi's and Nuremburg but you guys just have to choose it.....

What else can it be compared to? The Nazi rallies are the most obvious parallel when you think about someone using humongous rallies to show that the people support whatever is going on. Feel free to suggest something else to compare it too. I am not comfortable throwing around the Nazi term, myself, but I can't think of anything else.

How about John F. Kennedy's convention speech in 60'...it's pretty obvious.
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« Reply #76 on: July 09, 2008, 08:42:02 PM »

The Nazi rallies are the most obvious parallel when you think about someone using humongous rallies to show that the people support whatever is going on.

Nitwit. That sort of thing has been common in American politics for hundreds of years (or up until the birth of television anyway).

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« Reply #77 on: July 09, 2008, 08:46:11 PM »

They can compare it to a lot of other things other than Nazi's and Nuremburg but you guys just have to choose it.....

What else can it be compared to? The Nazi rallies are the most obvious parallel when you think about someone using humongous rallies to show that the people support whatever is going on. Feel free to suggest something else to compare it too. I am not comfortable throwing around the Nazi term, myself, but I can't think of anything else.

How about John F. Kennedy's convention speech in 60'...it's pretty obvious.

Fair enough.

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Ah, you know you've made a successful argument when your opponent results to personal attacks.

Last time I checked, the DNC will be televised. So, what's your point?

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Learn to spell, genius.
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« Reply #78 on: July 09, 2008, 10:44:55 PM »

Amen Vander! However, community organizer IS a qualification for president! lol

Awesome Vander. I wish I had your talent with words.

With what he said about Lincoln?
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« Reply #79 on: July 09, 2008, 11:24:23 PM »

i often what if obama had two black parents.  what if he had a dark complexion?  what if his name were tyrone or reggie instead of barack obama?  what if he were from the mississippi delta instead of hawai'i?

would the guilty whites still be fawning all over him? 

of course not.

obama is non-threatening mulatto.  he doesnt scare them like the 'criminals' in the city they are constantly moving farther and farther away from.  he has an exotic name!  he is from the ivy league! 

at least for a brief moment the guilty hand wringers can feel really enlightened because they are voting for a black man with an exotic name!  just dont let any of those negroes into their kids schools.

Better yet, what if he were Barry O'Bama, a redheaded Irishman from Massachusetts, with the exact same issues, message and campaign themes? Would he even have been considered a serious candidate?

I think it was his 2004 speech that really launched him to fame. I think you guys are overestimating how much being black helps him, since for every vote he gets for being an interesting black man he loses a vote amongst racist democrats.

Not really.  Blacks, in the South, are the core of the Democratic party, at least at the federal level.  You can't win without their support.  If Obama was white, he would have had no chance to win the Democrat primary.

Obama's campaign needed to annihilate Clinton among blacks, who was the husband of the 'first black President'.  If you recall, Clinton was actually leading among African Americans at one point.  This is why they painted Bill Clinton as a racist.

The reason Obama has become so successful is because he is a self-fulfilling prophecy.  When he gave his stupid speech, all the media orgasmed and said "Omg.  This is the first black President."  He was constantly called a "rising star" and his victory over Alan Keyes received immense coverage (as if Keyes was a viable candidate in the first place).  One of my favorite facts from the Senate election was, "Obama won whites overwhelmingly!" as if this is some achievement considering his opponent was also black (more black than Obama, in fact).

I don't give Obama credit for much.  He has a good campaign team, but that's not his doing.  Personally, I find him a mediocre man who is endowed with mythical qualities of good judgment and leadership by the media.  Even this 'wave' that started, this Obama lust that still rages among guilty white liberals and the young crowd (two groups that mostly overlap), he did not start it.  He did not create the wave, only rode it to fame.  He has no achievements, other than getting elected.  He is very good at being elected.  He is not very good at staying in office and doing the job he was elected to do.  If there were some office higher than the Presidency, such as "President of Earth" you can be sure that he would retire from the United States and follow that route.  The man has an ego - a dangerous one.

What is very very sad is that many young people are victims of his cult.  They think that Obama is a great man, a once-in-a-lifetime politician, when really he is just a product of the Chicago political machine and is no more gifted than you or I.  Sure he can give a good speech.  But that is not hard.  Simply study oratory for a while and it becomes easy.

There is also some sort of placebo effect at work here.  People see what they want to see (or rather, what they expect to see).  Liberals see a brilliant orator and that's what they see.  I see a man who uses trite phrases to deceive voters.

Obama supporters love to compare him to Abraham Lincoln - who is an example of a true once-in-a-lifetime politician, the kind of great man that shows up now and then along the course of history.  Never mind that in his own time, Lincoln was never thought of as 'great'.  Nobody worshiped him back then.  At the Gettysburg Address, he was invited at only seventeen days' notice, almost as an afterthought.  But the words he spoke there are immortal, and will be remembered longer than any silly Obama speech.

My main problem with Obama is that he has done nothing.  He has been a 'community organizer' (are Girl Scouts qualified to be President?), a state legislator who rarely showed up for votes and mostly voted on parking laws.  His crowning achievement, to date, is the Senate, where he has also done nothing.  He served two years, made pretend that he was doing something other than harboring ambitions of being king of the world, and finally began running for President halfway through.

The problem for Obama is that when one becomes President, you can no longer be all things to all people.  He must eventually, be something.  As it stands, Obama is a nothing and we are on the verge of electing nobody to the highest office in the land.

What lessons can we learn from Barack Obama?  First, count on the color of your skin to get you places.  If your heritage is a disadvantage, move to a place where it can help you.  Be willing to be a burden to others, but if someone is a burden to you, drop them immediately.  Do not let anything hinder your journey to greatness.  And lastly, do not do anything courageous or anything that would rock the boat, or anything that might be good for the world but bad for you.  And if you have to break a promise or do something dishonorable, always frame it so it makes yourself look good.

And when told that you are a hypocrite, that you are a cheat, that you are a monster, "you can't do this!" always have a ready retort:

"Yes ... I ... CAN !"

That is an excellent polemic. I just don't have the temperament to pound the keyboard that way. I would suck as a political hit man. I just don't have the Tony the Tiger within me.

One other thing. I am amazed how much talent we have on this forum. Seriously!
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« Reply #80 on: July 09, 2008, 11:25:24 PM »

Just let the tread die, for the love of God.
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« Reply #81 on: July 09, 2008, 11:36:40 PM »

Just let the tread die, for the love of God.
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