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« on: December 29, 2008, 12:24:32 PM »

...to donations to state-wide candidates.  Worth the read to find out how Terry is tearing into this like crazy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/28/AR2008122801545.html

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RICHMOND -- With his booming voice, quick wit and gregarious nature, Terry McAuliffe established a reputation as one of the world's best political fundraisers, soaking up hundreds of millions of dollars for Democratic causes and candidates.

Now, after spending much of his adult life soliciting donations for others -- most notably, former president Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) -- McAuliffe is considering using those prodigious skills and extensive contacts for himself, as a candidate for governor of Virginia. McAuliffe's potential candidacy has created what Michael Toner, a former chairman of the Federal Election Commission, calls "the perfect fundraising storm."

Virginia is a state with no limits on how much an individual, corporation or union can donate to a candidate running for state office, and some say McAuliffe could wage an $80 million campaign -- triple what Kaine spent four years ago -- if he is the Democratic nominee.

"I think the sky is the limit in terms of Terry McAuliffe's fundraising potential in Virginia," Toner said. "I suspect there will be a lot more interest in Virginia politics in Manhattan and Palm Beach than there usually is."

Already, McAuliffe is showing what's possible. Consider the courtship of Randal J. Kirk, a billionaire who has long been one of the biggest political donors in the state.

Brian J. Moran of Alexandria and Sen. R. Creigh Deeds of Bath, two Virginia Democrats running for governor, spent years wooing Kirk. But in mid-October, a newcomer to the Virginia political scene, McAuliffe, stopped by Kirk's Radford home to chat up his own potential bid.

Kirk, who has given Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) $660,000 since January 2006, had not met McAuliffe before. Yet they got along so well during their three-hour lunch that Kirk broke out the moonshine.

"I wanted him to know where he was," Kirk recalled.

During their meeting, McAuliffe did not ask Kirk for a campaign contribution. But McAuliffe made such an impression that Kirk did something a few weeks later that he said he had not done before: He called McAuliffe and pledged his support in advance of a contested primary.

"He has an astonishingly strong personality," said Kirk, a biotech and investment mogul. "When you meet someone, you often get a gut feeling whether this is an integrated personality. Are they the same with Joe Blow as they are with me? To me, this guy just seems utterly consistent."

McAuliffe has said he won't announce until Jan. 7 whether he will officially enter the race, but his efforts in recent weeks to start locking up large donors have reshaped the fight for the Democratic nomination.

This month, Moran resigned from the House of Delegates so he could campaign and  raise money full time, a direct result of McAuliffe's considering jumping into the race.

Under Virginia law, state legislators cannot solicit donations during the 45-day legislative session that starts Jan. 14. McAuliffe is not bound by the law, and Moran gave up the House seat he had held since 1996 to try to keep pace.

But Moran and Deeds, who plans to remain in the Senate, face enormous hurdles in trying to keep up with McAuliffe's fundraising.

A friend of the Clintons, McAuliffe raised more than $200 million for Bill Clinton in the 1990s. As chairman of the Democratic National Committee from 2001 to 2005, he oversaw $500 million in party fundraising. McAuliffe chaired Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, which raised about $220 million.

Hassan Namazee, a New York investment banker who was a top fundraiser for Hillary Clinton, said McAuliffe has a gift for persuading people to invest in causes that matter. He has "the most fundamental skill that you have to have when you ask people for money. . . . He makes you feel good when he asks you to write a check."

Advisers to Moran and Deeds said they had been expecting that it would cost about $3 million to win the June 9 primary, but McAuliffe could spend triple that amount, launching a wave of television advertisements early in the spring that could drown out his opponents' messages.

Political strategists said it's not clear whether money will make the difference. In the 2006 primary contest between Sen.  James Webb (D-Va.) and lawyer Harris Miller, Webb was outspent 4 to 1. But he won the race because antiwar activists and liberal bloggers were drawn to his military background and opposition to the war in Iraq.

"I think the money is important, but you have to have a message," said Democratic strategist Kristen Denny Todd, who was Webb's communications director. "I strongly feel that Virginians expect it to come from the heart and come from the soul, and I don't know if it can be manufactured or if Virginians can be bought."

Deeds and Moran are trying to play down the role that money could have on the race.

"I can't keep up with him, but I don't think I have to. I just have to get my message out," Deeds said.

Moran said the campaign "won't be about who can raise the most money. It will be about who has a proven record for Virginia families."

During a recent candidates forum, Moran snapped at McAuliffe, "Virginia is not for sale."

Mo Elleithee, a strategist for McAuliffe, said the campaign is sensitive to assertions that he is trying to buy the election with national money. Elleithee said McAuliffe still has to prove he can gain support from Democratic donors in Virginia.

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2008, 01:38:31 PM »

IL has no limits of this type either. Witness where it led the state under Blago. Sad
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2008, 04:08:21 PM »

$800 limit in both the primary and general here in Washington Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 05:14:14 PM »

Terry should just hold a giant pisser.



People would pay a fortune to get down with that party animal.

(Remember the picture above was at 7 AM.)
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 05:16:01 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2008, 05:34:01 PM »

Money isn't everything.  McAuliffe has no base that will be solid behind him, and he's going to split his support with Moran, allowing Deeds to squeeze in.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2008, 05:35:27 PM »

Money isn't everything.  McAuliffe has no base that will be solid behind him, and he's going to split his support with Moran, allowing Deeds to squeeze in.

Don't be so sure.

For Webb's primary in 2006, there was only 3% turnout.

Anything can happen if turnout is that low and the money to create a well-oiled organization is extremely important.  You can see from the article that Deeds and Moran loss a key power player already that they both courted.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 05:39:09 PM »

Money isn't everything.  McAuliffe has no base that will be solid behind him, and he's going to split his support with Moran, allowing Deeds to squeeze in.

Don't be so sure.

For Webb's primary in 2006, there was only 3% turnout.

Anything can happen if turnout is that low and the money to create a well-oiled organization is extremely important.  You can see from the article that Deeds and Moran loss a key power player already that they both courted.

True, that was a two man race.  If there's only 3% turnout, and Moran and McAuliffe split their base, then Deeds can get the nomination, because he won't share his supporters with another candidate.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2008, 06:44:45 PM »

Suddenly there came a tapping, as of some one gently rapping, rapping at the Governor's door. `'Tis some money,' I muttered, `tapping at the Governor's door - Only this, and nothing more.'
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2008, 03:36:55 AM »

Why would anyone ever donate money to this clown? All the idiots who are might as well be putting their money in the shredder.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2008, 03:42:55 AM »

Why would anyone ever donate money to this clown? All the idiots who are might as well be putting their money in the shredder.

Not necessarily.  I mean, the guy has raised hundreds and hundreds of millions.  The election and the primary will be held in an off year (2009) and organization will mean a lot more than persuasive power.

Someone could write him a billion dollar check!

I mean, he's a loser and I hope he goes down in flames, but this is no ordinary election.  Like I said, Webb won his primary with 3% turnout and that was in an even year ('06)
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2008, 08:59:48 PM »

Why would anyone ever donate money to this clown? All the idiots who are might as well be putting their money in the shredder.

Not necessarily.  I mean, the guy has raised hundreds and hundreds of millions.  The election and the primary will be held in an off year (2009) and organization will mean a lot more than persuasive power.

Someone could write him a billion dollar check!

I mean, he's a loser and I hope he goes down in flames, but this is no ordinary election.  Like I said, Webb won his primary with 3% turnout and that was in an even year ('06)

Though note that that was back in June of 2006, before the race had any sign of being a possible Democratic pickup.  Although (judging by the returns) the primary was close, I hardly get the impression it was hard-fought with tons of money being thrown around.  With this primary likely to get a lot of media attention & money with McAuliffe in the race, I'd expect turnout to be a fair deal higher (though still, of course, in the dumps).
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2008, 09:03:27 PM »

Does anyone have the numbers from the 2005 primaries?
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2009, 12:46:21 AM »

Why would anyone ever donate money to this clown? All the idiots who are might as well be putting their money in the shredder.
I don't know man, it's still something that gets you a better return on investment than going to strip clubs.
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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009, 12:52:55 AM »

Why would anyone ever donate money to this clown? All the idiots who are might as well be putting their money in the shredder.
I don't know man, it's still something that gets you a better return on investment than going to strip clubs.

Are you really saying $200 dollars getting lap dances is a worse investment than giving $1,000,000 to Terry McAuliffe?  Terry McAuliffe would give you a lap dance for much less than <$200 but you wouldn't want it
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2009, 01:23:55 AM »

Why would anyone ever donate money to this clown? All the idiots who are might as well be putting their money in the shredder.
I don't know man, it's still something that gets you a better return on investment than going to strip clubs.

A lapdance vs. money to a guy who will never become Governor. At least you get something with the former.
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2009, 01:27:49 AM »

Why would anyone ever donate money to this clown? All the idiots who are might as well be putting their money in the shredder.
I don't know man, it's still something that gets you a better return on investment than going to strip clubs.

A lapdance vs. money to a guy who will never become Governor. At least you get something with the former.

you risk becoming made fun of.  he's obviously unlikely to win, but "never" could cause this thread to be bumped in a year to make you look foolish, but he's only hated by political intellectuals and not by fundraisers or the meida.  The voters have never got a chance to meet him. 

Who would have though Webb would win, and Webb didn't have infinite money?  Obvously McDonnell has a lot of things going for him, but I suspect in the early 21st century, the transfer from AG to Gov will be harder since people care less about crime issues and how many pedophiles you put in prison.

I mean, I'd still predict Govenror McDonnell at this point, and my second prediction would be Governor Deeds, but let's just put the cart before the horse
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2009, 01:34:00 AM »

Why would anyone ever donate money to this clown? All the idiots who are might as well be putting their money in the shredder.
I don't know man, it's still something that gets you a better return on investment than going to strip clubs.
Shame + an erection > shame.
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2009, 09:30:14 PM »

If you're rich enough to donate $1,000,000 to the McCaullife Campaign, you'd be able to afford far better women than a strip club has so...
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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2009, 01:25:42 AM »

I think we need a "Would you rather pay for a lapdance or donate money to Terry McAuliffe?" poll. 
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