Guiliani a moderate???? More like a hypocrite.

[nomorelies]

I liked McCains speech. It was thoughtful, occasionly poignant but most importantly it will be effective to those undecideds that saw it.

Guiliani though is a hypocrite. Allow me to explain. I am trying to fair. Guiliaini stated last night in a cheap shot that democrats are wrong on most things. So i would like to ask Guiliani

-are democrats wrong for being pro-choice?
-are democrtats wrong for questioning the usage of guns?
- are democrats wrong for trying to understand the rights of gay people?
- are democrats wrong for questioning the death penalty?

These are very complex issues But GUILIANI BELIEVES IN ALL THOSE POINTS. If Guiliani were running for President as the democratic nominee would Republicans not attack Guilianis views on gay rights/abortion/gun control/ death penalty. Off course thats all Karl Roves party does. Are these not liberal policies according to Republicans in Idaho?

Guiliani also offended Great Britain by comparing Bush to Winston Churchill. To say i shouted at the television was an understatement. Not only is it rude to compare Bush to Churchill but it is also offensive to the British people that Republicans believe this. As Churchill once said `He's a humble man with much to be humble about.'"

Guilianis speech was also nasty. Guiliani said that Demcrats don`t make good freedom fighters. Thanks Guiliani. Who was the President in World War 2? It was also too long- note the people yawning around 11.10pm. The George Bush Channel embraced the speech as we all knew they would. Brit Hume smiled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guilianis popularity will have gone down dramatically. The Republicans are accepting the bait to be negative. Kerry will use this in the debates. The only problem for Kerry is are the American people gullable enough to believe that Bush is a compassionate conservative or a uniter not a divider. This is a true test. ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SMART OR FOOLISH

[A18]

Four issues? Nice job.

Republicans believe in the rights of gay people.

And yes, Democrats are wrong for being pro-death, except in cases of serial killers, and trying to disarm their fellow citizens but not Saddam Hussein.

[nomorelies]

Republican gay people have condemned Bush policyalready at your convention. Maybe you should stop smoking your crack after the convention has finished not while it goes on.

Oh and on Saddam is that why your guy supports Karianov of Uzebekistan?

[A18]

The gay "marriage" jokes have condemned Bush policy. I don't give a damn about that. I'm talking about gay rights.

I didn't criticize you for not wanting to disarm Hussein. I criticized you for wanting to disarm me.

[nomorelies]

philip when did i say that i didn`t want to remove Saddam?

What are you smoking??

I assume in your world Sean Hannity represents the views of moderate Republicans?

Why does Bush deal with brutal animals like Karianov? I would never ask this if he had not said "we removred a brutal dictator.

[A18]

Your party wanted the French to get rid of Saddam (in other words, didn't want to remove Saddam).

Sean Hannity is a moderate.

We're not going to overthrow every government that sucks. Get over it.

[nomorelies]

Sean Hannity made money by writing a book comparing Osama Bin Laden to liberals. Thats not moderate in America. In crackhead land maybe but in civilised socities no.

Could you tell me why i have a problem with Karianov please?

OH and the democratic party has never said that it didn` want to remove Saddam. Like you did with me you judged me for being a democratic. Remember Jesus never Judged!!!!!!

[© tweed]

I lost all respect I ever had for Giuliani last night.  Some of the things he said were far more disgusting that anything that came from the mouth of Bush or Cheney.

On repeated occasions he likened being a Kerry supporter to opposing freedom, supporting terrorism, and opposing democracies around the world.

He also ratted on Kerry to the point of character assassination.  For example (maybe not word-for-word but close to what he said):

'John Edwards needs two americas, so in one, John Kerry can for for something, and another where he can vote against the very same thing.'

When has John Kerry voted for an against the very same bill?  Even Rudy knows that not to be true.

There goes any chance I'll vote for HIM in 2008.

[nomorelies]

Boss Tweed - there are many things that we disagree on but i agree completely with your analysis.

Guiliani was spiteful towards the democratic party. He contradicted himself constantly. Did you see him on Meet the Press on Sunday. he said he was for the rights of gays, against the death penalty, for gun control and then last night he says that democrats are wrong on most things.

I have no respect for him now. If he had said i disagree with social issues that Bush has but i support his effort in the war on terrorism. fine. but he didnt. he was a nasty bitter man who is using septwmber 11th to become president in 2008. I have more motivation.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I agree with it too. Giuliani is just an idiot partisan hack, and just as much a worthless piece of crap as Ralph Nader.

[MODU]

Guiliani was spiteful towards the democratic party. He contradicted himself constantly. Did you see him on Meet the Press on Sunday. he said he was for the rights of gays, against the death penalty, for gun control and then last night he says that democrats are wrong on most things.

There are hundreds of issues on both sides of the party line, not just gays and guns.  You really need to practice your debating skills if you are going on O'Reilly.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

We should just be happy for this since it ends Giuilani's chances of winning anything in NY in 2006. Just run lots of ads showing him praising Bush, and he's toast.

[ATFFL]

He also ratted on Kerry to the point of character assassination.  For example (maybe not word-for-word but close to what he said):

'John Edwards needs two americas, so in one, John Kerry can for for something, and another where he can vote against the very same thing.'

When has John Kerry voted for an against the very same bill?  Even Rudy knows that not to be true.

"I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

[© tweed]

"I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

Wasn't the same bill.

[YRABNNRM]

You could've atleast spelled Giuliani right...

[Democratic Hawk]

Nomorelies,

You're dead right there mate. Giuliani did insult me, and undoubtedly many other Brits by likening Bush to the great Winston Chirchill.

Dave

[Shira]

He will run in 2008 if Bush fails in 2004

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

He will run in 2008 if Bush fails in 2004

not a chance. As much of a whore that he is, the GOP will never nominate someone who is pro-choice, much less someone who opposes ALL restrictions on abortion.

[Bogart]

Yeah, I'll admit that Guiliani was over-the-top.  But, just because the Democrats played nice-nice in Boston, you shouldn't expect the GOP to do the same. With only 2 months left in the campaign, it is increasingly going to be about playing hardball.

[ATFFL]

"I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

Wasn't the same bill.

Then no bill is ever the same.  All bills have ammendments and riders attached to them.  You have set up an imposible task.

Kerry has also failed to save the Earth from invasion by the Goa'uld.  He needs to prove he has done so to win the election.  Shame the task is equally impossible as teh standard you set up.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

however the difference in these two bills was clearly obvious. one had a provision to roll back Bush's giveaways to the rich to pay for the $87 billion. The other didn't. It's perfectly reasonable to see how someone could support one version and not another. Not a true flip-flop. This is no different than how I would vote against the partial birth abortion ban as it was passed, but would vote for one if it had an exception for the mother's health. is that a flip flop?

[MODU]

Kerry has also failed to save the Earth from invasion by the Goa'uld.  

I heard he was against the funding of the Atlantis project too.  

[ATFFL]

however the difference in these two bills was clearly obvious. one had a provision to roll back Bush's giveaways to the rich to pay for the $87 billion. The other didn't. It's perfectly reasonable to see how someone could support one version and not another. Not a true flip-flop. This is no different than how I would vote against the partial birth abortion ban as it was passed, but would vote for one if it had an exception for the mother's health. is that a flip flop?

Odd how John Kerry could not understand how anyone would oppose the spending bill just weeks before he went out there and did that.   He was in the media when it was up for debate saying no senator could vote to deprive the troops of needed materials, then he went to Washington and voted to deprive the troops of needed materials, by his own standards.

That is why your position is different from his.  You are saying up front you would not vote for the partial birth abortion ban as it stands now, but would with a modification.  Kerry said beforehand that he would vote for the bill no matter what, though he preferred the version that rolled back the tax cut.

You are allowed to change you rmind on issues, many candidates have, but you have to give a good reason that your opinion changed, especially if it does so over the course of a week.

[© tweed]

"I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

Wasn't the same bill.

Then no bill is ever the same.  All bills have ammendments and riders attached to them.  You have set up an imposible task.

NO NO NO I didn't set up the impossible task, rudy did.