So Childers won

[Filuwaúrdjan]

...if it's such a core value when then have they never got anything done about it mutter mutter mutter...

[TheresNoMoney]

You just made my point. You can't win these districts with a liberal. Ellsworth, Shuler, Davis, Childers, Cazayoux, Altmire, and Hill are all examples of social conservative democrats who will not buy the San FranFreako vision of America.

Were you to run liberals in these districts you cannot win. So in essence you have to surrender the social issues (the ones that matter most to "values voters" like myself) in order to "win."

Your point? Of course you have to run more socially conservative Democrats to win in conservative districts. That's not sacrificing anything, that's just smart politics.

And besides, economic issues are way more important that social issues. In case you didn't notice, Democrats don't even vote on hot-button social issues when we're in the majority.

[Brittain33]

You can't get a pro-same-sex-"marriage" congress because the majority of Americans don't support such garbage.

Wait a minute... you're saying that a Democratic Congress won't pass a same-sex marriage law?

I can't believe that. I've pinned all my hopes on the idea that a majority of Americans support SSM, and that Pelosi and Obama will make it happen. It's the only reason I vote Democratic. And now you're telling me my hopes are false?

I'm still reeling from learning that Childers isn't pro-marriage equality. I don't know if I can take this. I may just have to vote Republican.

[Keystone Phil]

What was the turnout in this race?

[Sbane]

I dont care what ideology the democrats being elected have as long as they want to end Iraq. I think Childers does and so this is one step towards our goal. As for Gay marriage, its not going to happen in the next 20 years. Our generation is going to have to grow up and vote in high numbers for it.  Abortion and other social issues usually will not come up for a vote and especially not in 08 if we win a huge super majority with lots of conservative dems. I think building on that majority and getting some real things done would be better for the party and the country.

[tik 🪀✨]

You just made my point. You can't win these districts with a liberal. Ellsworth, Shuler, Davis, Childers, Cazayoux, Altmire, and Hill are all examples of social conservative democrats who will not buy the San FranFreako vision of America.

Were you to run liberals in these districts you cannot win. So in essence you have to surrender the social issues (the ones that matter most to "values voters" like myself) in order to "win."

Your point? Of course you have to run more socially conservative Democrats to win in conservative districts. That's not sacrificing anything, that's just smart politics.

And besides, economic issues are way more important that social issues. In case you didn't notice, Democrats don't even vote on hot-button social issues when we're in the majority.

Republicans avoid doing so as well unless it's an election year. Only then do gays seem to represent a threat to the American family, which is absurd, of course. Die-hard religious social conservatives are just pawns for Republicans, being ridiculed rightly behind closed doors during odd-numbered years.

[Brittain33]

I'm still stunned. Can I primary Childers? I'm a married gay man from the north, but I have faith that everyone in the Democratic Party shares my values and will support my campaign if I run. I can educate those people in Mississippi about their true interests and they will support me. Aren't I right? I can do this. I can't believe I've been so stupid all this time!

Thank you for opening my eyes to what the Democratic Party has been doing! No wonder Heath Shuler didn't RSVP to my wedding.

[Thomas Jackson]

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Not to me. Give me a Lincoln Davis or Travis Childers any day over an Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins or Arlen Specter.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

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Not to me. Give me a Lincoln Davis or Travis Childers any day over an Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins or Arlen Specter.

And give me a Joe Lieberman or Evan Bayh any day over Tom Coburn or Jim Inholfe.

[Keystone Phil]

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Not to me. Give me a Lincoln Davis or Travis Childers any day over an Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins or Arlen Specter.

And give me a Joe Lieberman or Evan Bayh any day over Tom Coburn or Jim Inholfe.

All about advancing the GOP, eh Don?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

All about advancing the GOP, eh Don?

National embarrassments should not be considered advancements for our party.

[Keystone Phil]

All about advancing the GOP, eh Don?

National embarrassments should not be considered advancements for our party.

I know. I supported Toomey. You supported the guy who convinced Larry Craig to stay in his Senate seat.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

All about advancing the GOP, eh Don?

National embarrassments should not be considered advancements for our party.

I know. I supported Toomey. You supported the guy who convinced Larry Craig to stay in his Senate seat.

Yes, Toomey and Larry Craig are both national embarrassments and both far-right-wingers.  I'm happy you can come up with these examples to make my point.

[Keystone Phil]

All about advancing the GOP, eh Don?

National embarrassments should not be considered advancements for our party.

I know. I supported Toomey. You supported the guy who convinced Larry Craig to stay in his Senate seat.

Yes, Toomey and Larry Craig are both national embarrassments and both far-right-wingers.  I'm happy you can come up with these examples to make my point.

Don ignoring problems with Specter? Surprising!

Don, was your boy Arlen wrong for convincing Craig to stay in the Senate or was he right for doing so? Answer me just this one time, my friend. Just this once.

[7,052,770]

There's no reason in the world why Larry Craig should have to resign.

[War on Want]

There's no reason in the world why Larry Craig should have to resign.

Yes because if he does the Democrats will do worse in Idaho.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Don, was your boy Arlen wrong for convincing Craig to stay in the Senate or was he right for doing so? Answer me just this one time, my friend. Just this once.

It would be preferable for the citizens of Idaho to have a Senator who was not under the pall of public scandal, so it would be best for Craig to have resigned.

It would also be preferable for the citizens of Louisiana to not have a Senator who is under the pall of public scandal.  I do hope your boy Toomey is on the phone with David Vitter calling for his resignation as well.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I should also note that men like Rick Santorum, and animals like Pat Toomey, Tom Coburn, and Jim Inholfe, do bear some responsibility for what happened to Larry Craig.  They are the ones who force men like Craig to have to find love in airport restrooms instead of normal relationships.

[memphis]

I should also note that men like Rick Santorum, and animals like Pat Toomey, Tom Coburn, and Jim Inholfe, do bear some responsibility for what happened to Larry Craig.  They are the ones who force men like Craig to have to find love in airport restrooms instead of normal relationships.

I've nothing against gays, but I wouldn't call what Craig was looking for "love."

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I should also note that men like Rick Santorum, and animals like Pat Toomey, Tom Coburn, and Jim Inholfe, do bear some responsibility for what happened to Larry Craig.  They are the ones who force men like Craig to have to find love in airport restrooms instead of normal relationships.

I've nothing against gays, but I wouldn't call what Craig was looking for "love."

Specifically, no it wasn't.  Generally, it was.

Our society placed him in a precarious position to where he really was not permitted to discover what love was.

[7,052,770]

Since Craig was such a gay basher beforehand, I don't really feel sorry for him.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Since Craig was such a gay basher beforehand, I don't really feel sorry for him.

That's understandable.  But Larry Craig did not create the injustice, he was/is a victim of it as much as he was a perpetrator.

[Democratic Hawk]

Barring a major change, Obama will have no problem winning the election in November.

I wish that were true! He is going to have to run a hell of a campaign to beat McCain.

Indeed; McCain is clearly standing taller than his party and his president

Dave

[Keystone Phil]

Don, was your boy Arlen wrong for convincing Craig to stay in the Senate or was he right for doing so? Answer me just this one time, my friend. Just this once.

It would be preferable for the citizens of Idaho to have a Senator who was not under the pall of public scandal, so it would be best for Craig to have resigned.

It would also be preferable for the citizens of Louisiana to not have a Senator who is under the pall of public scandal.  I do hope your boy Toomey is on the phone with David Vitter calling for his resignation as well.

Why would Toomey have to call for his resignation? Talk about irrelevant. You say Craig should have resigned without mentioning that Specter was wrong but find a way to rope in Toomey. Nice one, Don.

I should also note that men like Rick Santorum, and animals like Pat Toomey, Tom Coburn, and Jim Inholfe, do bear some responsibility for what happened to Larry Craig.  They are the ones who force men like Craig to have to find love in airport restrooms instead of normal relationships.

LOL

And now it's time to bash Santorum! Hey, at least you were nice about it by calling him "a man."

Hey, Don, I like your selective commentary. I notice how your heroes President Bush and former Senator Frist, a man who pushed the marriage amendment, aren't mentioned. Don's double standards at their finest.