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Grumpier Than Uncle Joe
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« on: March 31, 2008, 12:10:56 PM »
Who speaks and people listen?  I didn't limit this to the DNC or anything although you're welcome to include them, but the Party in general.
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2008, 12:17:52 PM »
Quote from: GM3 on March 31, 2008, 12:10:56 PM
Who speaks and people listen?  I didn't limit this to the DNC or anything although you're welcome to include them, but the Party in general.

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2008, 12:24:54 PM »

The GOP.
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2008, 02:03:36 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 02:37:40 PM »
Obama, of course.

Gore hasn't said much of anything lately.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2008, 02:39:53 PM »
Quote from: Michael.DC on March 31, 2008, 02:37:40 PM
Obama, of course.

Gore hasn't said much of anything lately.

Pelosi.......I leaned toward Obama, but he has to be too careful about what he says.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2008, 04:12:00 PM »
You're all wrong, we all know it's Mayor Daley Wink.
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2008, 04:13:01 PM »
Well, we all know it isn't Bill Clinton.

 I'd bank on Joe Lieberman
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2008, 04:19:04 PM »
Quote from: Gov. AndrewCT on March 31, 2008, 04:13:01 PM
Well, we all know it isn't Bill Clinton.

 I'd bank on Joe Lieberman

Uh...what?
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2008, 04:21:03 PM »
"Power" to do what?

If it's broker a peace between Obama and Clinton then I would guess that such a power is split between Reid, Pelosi, Dean, and Gore.  If we're just talking about power to kill a bill, then it might be Reid or Pelosi.  And the list goes on with various aspects of said power.
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2008, 04:36:51 PM »

I wouldn't necessarily agree, but the balance of power in the Senate does rest on Lieberman's shoulders.  I've always found it amazing how much the bulk of the Democratic party hates his guts, despite owing a great deal to him for the past year.
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2008, 05:37:57 PM »
Quote from: Enrico Pallazzo on March 31, 2008, 04:36:51 PM

I wouldn't necessarily agree, but the balance of power in the Senate does rest on Lieberman's shoulders.  I've always found it amazing how much the bulk of the Democratic party hates his guts, despite owing a great deal to him for the past year.

Any proof of "the bulk of the Democratic party hates his guts"? I've always thought he was okay, even though he has been kind of a single issue guy in the past few years.
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2008, 05:42:24 PM »
Quote from: Enrico Pallazzo on March 31, 2008, 04:36:51 PM

I wouldn't necessarily agree, but the balance of power in the Senate does rest on Lieberman's shoulders.  I've always found it amazing how much the bulk of the Democratic party hates his guts, despite owing a great deal to him for the past year.

I think that's kind of unfair.  Except for the war, Lieberman is a solid liberal, and people blaming him for us not being able to pass any anti-war legislation need to remember that without him, we wouldn't even be the majority party right now.
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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2008, 05:46:13 PM »
The Democratic Party IS going to tell Lieberman to go f**k himself once the Democrats expand their majority this November.
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2008, 05:47:09 PM »
Quote from: Lt. Governor Ben Constine on March 31, 2008, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: Enrico Pallazzo on March 31, 2008, 04:36:51 PM
I wouldn't necessarily agree, but the balance of power in the Senate does rest on Lieberman's shoulders.  I've always found it amazing how much the bulk of the Democratic party hates his guts, despite owing a great deal to him for the past year.

I think that's kind of unfair.  Except for the war, Lieberman is a solid liberal, and people blaming him for us not being able to pass any anti-war legislation need to remember that without him, we wouldn't even be the majority party right now.

Exactly my point.
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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2008, 05:47:57 PM »
Quote from: Aizen on March 31, 2008, 05:46:13 PM
The Democratic Party IS going to tell Lieberman to go f**k himself once the Democrats expand their majority this November.


I don't think it would matter either way. He's probably going to end up in the Cabinet and the GOP will pick up a seat.
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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2008, 05:48:17 PM »
Quote from: Aizen on March 31, 2008, 05:46:13 PM
The Democratic Party IS going to tell Lieberman to go f**k himself once the Democrats expand their majority this November.

Well that's gratitude for you.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2008, 06:00:59 PM »
Quote from: Aizen on March 31, 2008, 05:46:13 PM
The Democratic Party IS going to tell Lieberman to go f**k himself once the Democrats expand their majority this November.


That's entirely the kind of post-Congressional election hubris that cost the Republicans 1996. The Democrats in Congress avoided it last year, but during the primaries, among the voters, their guts spilled out. The kind of pound-the-table grassroots liberalism that brooks no compromise on the parts of Democratic representatives has its place: in one corner of the party; by no means in control of it. And the defeat of John Edwards, the netroots-favored candidate, still shows that they are not as big as they think they are.
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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2008, 06:11:51 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2008, 06:39:14 PM »
Quote from: Aizen on March 31, 2008, 05:46:13 PM
The Democratic Party IS going to tell Lieberman to go f**k himself once the Democrats expand their majority this November.

And this is because you can get so much done in the Senate with 50 votes (or 55 or even 59 for that matter)?
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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2008, 12:21:32 AM »

Exactly. The reason the party is in the mess it's currently in is precisely because no one ever has nor can anyone ever control the Democratic party (as much as the Right would like to believe the Clintons can and do). It's deliberately designed to be a chaotic, disorganized entity.
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2008, 01:43:49 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2008, 07:42:15 AM »
If they would form a caucus, the undecided super delegates.
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2008, 09:52:10 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2008, 11:57:48 PM »
The answer of course is President Bush.  He has the most influence, and folks listen to him the most, in the Dem Party.
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