Obama's 50 superdelegates

[Alcon]

Place yer bets.

[Stranger in a strange land]

yes, they aren't big names, and the dems do need a nominee.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I voted option 1, and if it doesn't then option 3 is correct.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

If they exist they better come out of the woodwork today.

[MasterJedi]

If they are from Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas Obama will probably tell them to support Hillary unless their area voted for him. If he doesn't it goes against what he believes the Superdelegates should do.

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[Alcon]

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Well, then.

[Sensei]

yes
so, in that case...

[J. J.]

They saw their collective shadow and there will be at least seven more weeks of nomination process. 

[Eraserhead]

Yeah, I think so. He shouldn't break them out yet though. If I was him, I would do it right between WY and MS.

[Alcon]

They saw their collective shadow and there will be at least seven more weeks of nomination process. 

Apparently you haven't read the thread

[Beet]

If he tries to close it out on the basis of superdelegates before a bunch of states have even voted, doesn't that kind of invalidate the whole 'damnit, the superdelegates shouldn't matter, only pledged delegates matter' argument?

[Bacon King]

If they are from Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas Obama will probably tell them to support Hillary unless their area voted for him. If he doesn't it goes against what he believes the Superdelegates should do.

lol what? source?

[Angel of Death]

Yeah, I think so. He shouldn't break them out yet though. If I was him, I would do it right between WY and MS.

How about a few days before Pennsylvania?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

If he tries to close it out on the basis of superdelegates before a bunch of states have even voted, doesn't that kind of invalidate the whole 'damnit, the superdelegates shouldn't matter, only pledged delegates matter' argument?

Yes.

But perhaps we've moved past the stage where principle matters. This looks rather ugly and I guess that, as such, it's appropriate that it should be Lacy Clay, ugly in more ways than one, that says it...

[John Dibble]

If he tries to close it out on the basis of superdelegates before a bunch of states have even voted, doesn't that kind of invalidate the whole 'damnit, the superdelegates shouldn't matter, only pledged delegates matter' argument?

That's a definite "Maybe". On the one hand, what you said. On the other hand, he already has what may be an insurmountable lead in elected delegates. And on the mutated third hand, I'm rather fond of pie.

[Gustaf]

I have the feeling that they were going to emerge to coronate Obama after he beat Clinton in Texas.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I have the feeling that they were going to emerge to coronate Obama after he beat Clinton in Texas.

He wouldn't have needed it then.

I agree he should do it after Wyoming. More good news to get the media back on his side.

BTW, here's something to keep in mind, Pennsylvania is about as far from here in the future as Nevada is in the past. That's a very long time before another state Hillary can win. Obama gained all the positive media spin because he keep beating Hillary in a landslide state after state with only a few days apart, but Hillary isn't going to have the media raving over her for 7 weeks even if they mostly ignore Wyoming and Mississippi. Similarly after Pennsylvania it's not going to be "Oh my God, game over, drop out Obama!" Hillary will just get a few days of positive media spin and then they'll just move on and start focusing on North Carolina.

[Gustaf]

I have the feeling that they were going to emerge to coronate Obama after he beat Clinton in Texas.

He wouldn't have needed it then.

I agree he should do it after Wyoming. More good news to get the media back on his side.

BTW, here's something to keep in mind, Pennsylvania is about as far from here in the future as Nevada is in the past. That's a very long time before another state Hillary can win. Obama gained all the positive media spin because he keep beating Hillary in a landslide state after state with only a few days apart, but Hillary isn't going to have the media raving over her for 7 weeks even if they mostly ignore Wyoming and Mississippi. Similarly after Pennsylvania it's not going to be "Oh my God, game over, drop out Obama!" Hillary will just get a few days of positive media spin and then they'll just move on and start focusing on North Carolina.

It's not a question of what he would have needed. I was rather thinking that those guys were saying "ok, if you win Texas we'll step up and say we support you so that the party can come together" It would have been a powerful message telling Clinton that it is really, really time to get out. Maybe they simply don't want to do it now that it is, again, unclear who will be the nominee.

Also, I see your reasoning on the schedule but I'm not sure I agree. Wyoming and Mississippi will be completely forgotten once PA comes up, and that is good for Clinton. And the fact that North Carolina, a state where she has a chance, comes right after Pennsylvania, her chance for a big blow-out is good for her, imo. This is obviously not the best schedule for her, but it could have been a lot worse too.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Also, I see your reasoning on the schedule but I'm not sure I agree. Wyoming and Mississippi will be completely forgotten once PA comes up, and that is good for Clinton. And the fact that North Carolina, a state where she has a chance, comes right after Pennsylvania, her chance for a big blow-out is good for her, imo. This is obviously not the best schedule for her, but it could have been a lot worse too.

If Hillary can survive 11 blowouts in a row Obama can certainly survive one. NC is also two weeks after PA, the same amount of time between Tuesday and Wisconsin. Part of the Obama's problem might've been that his momentum did run out in those two weeks, although it looks like momentum has had little effect at all this election.

[Flying Dog]

Hillary's "momentum" will be stopped by wednesday.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Hillary's "momentum" will be stopped by wednesday.

Correct. When momentum is discussed it's usually talking about in the early primaries when they're only a few days apart, not 7 weeks. The media is not going to be gushing over Hillary's victories for 7 straight weeks.