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« on: February 09, 2008, 03:17:38 AM »

Why are Asian-Americans becoming a pro-Clinton bloc?
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2008, 03:32:33 AM »

I haven't seen any evidence yet that they are more pro-Clinton than other groups. Since Asian-Americans are generally higher income, I'd assume they'd like Obama more.

Obama won San Francisco and Sacramento County. He lost San Mateo, Santa Clara and Orange. These are the only counties I know of in CA with a large Asian population. 2/5 isn't that bad.
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2008, 03:44:26 AM »

Asians generally have none of what Westerners call 'idealism', and tend to vote for whoever appears to be the strongest or toughest fascist in the lineup.  Also they strongly fear and hate a black.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2008, 06:36:20 AM »

I haven't seen any evidence yet that they are more pro-Clinton than other groups. Since Asian-Americans are generally higher income, I'd assume they'd like Obama more.

Obama won San Francisco and Sacramento County. He lost San Mateo, Santa Clara and Orange. These are the only counties I know of in CA with a large Asian population. 2/5 isn't that bad.

HINT: CA exit polls. Smiley

(IIRC, they showed Clinton recieving 77% of the Asian vote)
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2008, 07:36:17 AM »

I haven't seen any evidence yet that they are more pro-Clinton than other groups. Since Asian-Americans are generally higher income, I'd assume they'd like Obama more.

Obama won San Francisco and Sacramento County. He lost San Mateo, Santa Clara and Orange. These are the only counties I know of in CA with a large Asian population. 2/5 isn't that bad.

yeah it would be interesting to see what kind of white support he got in the bay area considering how bad he lost with hispanics and asians, who make up most of the rest of the electorate in the bay area besides whites. Also turnout has gone up significantly for asians and hispanics so that can only help clinton in upcoming states.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2008, 02:23:59 PM »

Asians generally have none of what Westerners call 'idealism', and tend to vote for whoever appears to be the strongest or toughest fascist in the lineup.  Also they strongly fear and hate a black.

Wow, that is a pretty gross stereotype there.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2008, 02:31:15 PM »

I think it's because Asians have a cultural preference for stability, experience, and old age.  See Confucius.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2008, 02:33:26 PM »

I think it's because Asians have a cultural preference for stability, experience, and old age.  See Confucius.

Maybe that's why I am backing McCain Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2008, 02:40:27 PM »

I think it's because Asians have a cultural preference for stability, experience, and old age.

Pretty much.  This and they tend to be pro-incumbent, and Hillary fulfills the role of incumbent in this race.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2008, 02:53:32 PM »

It would be interesting to see the breakdown of old vs. young Asian-Americans. I suspect for younger, it's more even.

It's probably something similar to Hispanics; they like the Clintons and remember the Clinton years as good. They are unsure about Obama and have doubts that a black man will ever be elected President.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2008, 03:11:37 PM »

Anecdotally, at least, the older Asian-Americans are likely to be, at least, somewhat anti-black. It's actually true of many immigrant communities: Hispanics are just more obvious since there are more of them and they are tracked.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2008, 03:22:59 PM »

Based on Australian poliics, Asian immigrants tend to vote most strongly for left-wing incumbents, then right wing incumbents, then right wing challengers, and then left wing challengers. Economically they are as a rule right wing (probably because most come from MY, Singapore, Vietnam and the PRC) and vote on economics-yet still vote left wing.

It's a complex demographic that is hard to read, especially because the last three federal elections have had very different tones down here.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2008, 06:41:55 PM »
« Edited: February 09, 2008, 06:44:26 PM by Ogre Mage »

Asians generally have none of what Westerners call 'idealism', and tend to vote for whoever appears to be the strongest or toughest fascist in the lineup.  Also they strongly fear and hate a black.

I am Asian-American and it is total bulls*** and racist to say that we support the most "fascist" candidate.  Go f*** yourself.
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2008, 06:43:02 PM »

Asians generally have none of what Westerners call 'idealism', and tend to vote for whoever appears to be the strongest or toughest fascist in the lineup.  Also they strongly fear and hate a black.

I am Asian-American and it is total bulls*** and racist to say that Asians support the most "fascist" candidate.   Go f*** yourself.  I

what's really sad is that opebo probably never hangs out with Asians and is just making a bunch of stereotypes and generalizations.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2008, 07:33:37 PM »
« Edited: February 09, 2008, 07:38:08 PM by Ogre Mage »

I think it's because Asians have a cultural preference for stability, experience, and old age.  See Confucius.

I think that is part of it.  Particularly among older Asians there tends to be a desire for tradition, continuity and experience.  They are more likely to support the candidate which they feel is a proven commodity.  The Clintons made an effort to court the Asian-American community during Bill's Presidency and he appointed several Asians to his administration, most notably Norman Mineta.  Hillary benefits from the built up good will.  I also think that because of the emphasis on tradition, there may be less resistance to the idea of a "political dynasty" than among other groups.  Unfortunately, it is also true that some older Asians are prejudiced against African-Americans.  But Hawaii has a majority Asian population and native son Barack Obama is wildly popular there. 

Younger Asians are often divided between following their parents traditional ways and rebelling.  I think there is about an equal proportion of both with the traditionalists probably supporting Hillary and the non-conformists more likely to back Obama.

I also wanted to mention within the Asian-American community there are various subdivides.  For instance, Vietnamese-Americans tend to be more Republican because the party is seen as being more anti-communist.  Other Asians trend more Democratic.
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2008, 07:55:21 PM »

It depends on the type of Asian-American. Asians are very diverse. Also, the CNN exit poll used the data for Asians from the "other" race category, Asian wasn't a choice.

My mom voted Obama, she's Asian, but she's from Hawaii. Filipinos have had tendencies in the past to be racist, but few are Democrats (once a waiter of the cruise line my dad works for refused to serve a black family...)

It would be nice to see some actual data of how Asians voted, but CNN doesn't have that category in their exit polls.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2008, 08:31:30 PM »

To be honest, there is a degree of racism against African-Americans within the Asian American community.  Of course, U.S. minorities don't really trust each other.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2008, 08:51:51 PM »

Younger Asians are often divided between following their parents traditional ways and rebelling.  I think there is about an equal proportion of both with the traditionalists probably supporting Hillary and the non-conformists more likely to back Obama.

An Asian friend of mine convinced her father to vote for Ron Paul by telling him that he would end the war in Iraq...
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2008, 08:56:20 PM »

All the Asian-Americans I know voted Obama.
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2008, 10:00:06 PM »

I think one reason Obama hasn't done quite as well with many Hispanics and Asian-Americans is that so much of his candidacy seems to revolve around getting past the black/white divide of the past.  People who don't experience race in terms of black vs. whiite are therefore less enthusiastic. That doesn't mean they have anything against Obama being black - only that he is not a symbol of redemption for them  in the same way he is for whites and blacks.

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