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« on: November 09, 2007, 12:13:28 PM »

It is becoming evidently clear that ousted in a landslide Fmr. Rutherford Mayor will run for re-election as freeholder.  This should signal a clear GOP victory and a sign of things to come for Bergen County.  If Bergen County can swing back to about 52% Republican, state elections might have a new ring.
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2007, 02:29:47 PM »

You're judging state elections by the result of the freeholder election?  'Kay.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2007, 02:31:38 PM »

You're judging state elections by the result of the freeholder election?  'Kay.
I am operating under the theory (that has a lot of facts to support it) that the state goes the way Bergen County goes.  If Republicans win back Bergen County, they can win back the state.  The only candidate I can remember losing while winning Bergen is Bob Franks in 2000, who only lost by 2-3%
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2007, 02:47:51 PM »

You also seem to be operating under the theory that McPherson will be defeated in a re-election run, which, of course, is not necessarily the case.  I'd say she still starts out as a prohibitive favorite.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2007, 02:49:07 PM »

You also seem to be operating under the theory that McPherson will be defeated in a re-election run, which, of course, is not necessarily the case.  I'd say she still starts out as a prohibitive favorite.

After losing by 40% in her town, that looks awful and the Republicans are only going be stronger by then.  The 2007 Republicans have very similar looks to the 1995 Democrats.  Let's remember how Ferriero captured Bergen County, it started with McPherson's victory over Bertone in 1999
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 10:27:29 PM »

You also seem to be operating under the theory that McPherson will be defeated in a re-election run, which, of course, is not necessarily the case.  I'd say she still starts out as a prohibitive favorite.

After losing by 40% in her town, that looks awful and the Republicans are only going be stronger by then.  The 2007 Republicans have very similar looks to the 1995 Democrats.  Let's remember how Ferriero captured Bergen County, it started with McPherson's victory over Bertone in 1999

It started there, and it was finished with an absolute avalanche of wheeled-in cash.  I'd be very interested to hear how you think Republicans could even begin to compete with that kind of money any time soon.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2007, 10:37:15 PM »

You also seem to be operating under the theory that McPherson will be defeated in a re-election run, which, of course, is not necessarily the case.  I'd say she still starts out as a prohibitive favorite.

After losing by 40% in her town, that looks awful and the Republicans are only going be stronger by then.  The 2007 Republicans have very similar looks to the 1995 Democrats.  Let's remember how Ferriero captured Bergen County, it started with McPherson's victory over Bertone in 1999

You seem to be forgetting that, while local races seemed to backlash against the Democrats, Ferriero's Democrats swept to wide victories in all three of the Freeholder seats. Given the ballot backlash in Rutherford and a few other towns, it is very impressive that they managed such wide margins, to be frank.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2007, 02:53:13 AM »

Wasn't there a surprise defection from the Republican Party in NJ recently?  IIRC it was all in one town.  Could someone refresh my memory?  Where was this town located?
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2007, 11:37:21 AM »

Wasn't there a surprise defection from the Republican Party in NJ recently?  IIRC it was all in one town.  Could someone refresh my memory?  Where was this town located?
Next door to me in Lyndhurst, NJ.  The effect is minimal and negative against the Democrats if anything.  Their elections are non-partisan and the switch was seen as DiLaschio getting a county job from the Democrats.
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2007, 11:38:30 AM »

You also seem to be operating under the theory that McPherson will be defeated in a re-election run, which, of course, is not necessarily the case.  I'd say she still starts out as a prohibitive favorite.

After losing by 40% in her town, that looks awful and the Republicans are only going be stronger by then.  The 2007 Republicans have very similar looks to the 1995 Democrats.  Let's remember how Ferriero captured Bergen County, it started with McPherson's victory over Bertone in 1999

You seem to be forgetting that, while local races seemed to backlash against the Democrats, Ferriero's Democrats swept to wide victories in all three of the Freeholder seats. Given the ballot backlash in Rutherford and a few other towns, it is very impressive that they managed such wide margins, to be frank.
As I said, the process is a long process but it is an important start.  If the Republicans can slowly raise more money and claw back little by little, in 10 years or so New Jersey should be a slightly right-leaning state.  Add that to the mass exodus of people, mostly lower class people who can longer afford to live here, and the state could get more Republican than expected.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2007, 11:41:49 AM »

You also seem to be operating under the theory that McPherson will be defeated in a re-election run, which, of course, is not necessarily the case.  I'd say she still starts out as a prohibitive favorite.

After losing by 40% in her town, that looks awful and the Republicans are only going be stronger by then.  The 2007 Republicans have very similar looks to the 1995 Democrats.  Let's remember how Ferriero captured Bergen County, it started with McPherson's victory over Bertone in 1999

You seem to be forgetting that, while local races seemed to backlash against the Democrats, Ferriero's Democrats swept to wide victories in all three of the Freeholder seats. Given the ballot backlash in Rutherford and a few other towns, it is very impressive that they managed such wide margins, to be frank.
As I said, the process is a long process but it is an important start.  If the Republicans can slowly raise more money and claw back little by little, in 10 years or so New Jersey should be a slightly right-leaning state.  Add that to the mass exodus of people, mostly lower class people who can longer afford to live here, and the state could get more Republican than expected.

You're mistaking yoru local trends for the county's trends. The Northern Valley, which has a much higher population than the Meadowlands region, is moving towards the Democrats as previously expensive homes become affordable and as old rich are replaced by new rich.

Moreover, home prices have stopped rising and started falling in the area with the mortgage crisis, though obviously not nearly so much as in some places. Where the poor were once being driven out, that shift has stopped.
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2007, 11:51:53 AM »

You also seem to be operating under the theory that McPherson will be defeated in a re-election run, which, of course, is not necessarily the case.  I'd say she still starts out as a prohibitive favorite.

After losing by 40% in her town, that looks awful and the Republicans are only going be stronger by then.  The 2007 Republicans have very similar looks to the 1995 Democrats.  Let's remember how Ferriero captured Bergen County, it started with McPherson's victory over Bertone in 1999

You seem to be forgetting that, while local races seemed to backlash against the Democrats, Ferriero's Democrats swept to wide victories in all three of the Freeholder seats. Given the ballot backlash in Rutherford and a few other towns, it is very impressive that they managed such wide margins, to be frank.
As I said, the process is a long process but it is an important start.  If the Republicans can slowly raise more money and claw back little by little, in 10 years or so New Jersey should be a slightly right-leaning state.  Add that to the mass exodus of people, mostly lower class people who can longer afford to live here, and the state could get more Republican than expected.

You're mistaking yoru local trends for the county's trends. The Northern Valley, which has a much higher population than the Meadowlands region, is moving towards the Democrats as previously expensive homes become affordable and as old rich are replaced by new rich.

Moreover, home prices have stopped rising and started falling in the area with the mortgage crisis, though obviously not nearly so much as in some places. Where the poor were once being driven out, that shift has stopped.
The population though lies more heavily in the lower areas such as the Meadowlands and up toward Hackensack.  If towns like Rutherford, East Rutherford, Carlstadt, etc. continue to move right that has a huge effect on county-wide politics.  Towns like Washington Twp. and Saddle River are not moving Dem anytime soon, and towns like Alpine and Tenafly have been consistently Democratic.  If Republicans want to win their efforts need to be focused in S. Bergen County, an area that now appears more winnable than ever.  Ferriero point to the fact that Rutherford and I believe Hillsdale (correct me if I'm wrong) were always Republican, but then again Bergen County and NJ on a whole is traditionally Republican.
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2007, 11:58:58 AM »

You also seem to be operating under the theory that McPherson will be defeated in a re-election run, which, of course, is not necessarily the case.  I'd say she still starts out as a prohibitive favorite.

After losing by 40% in her town, that looks awful and the Republicans are only going be stronger by then.  The 2007 Republicans have very similar looks to the 1995 Democrats.  Let's remember how Ferriero captured Bergen County, it started with McPherson's victory over Bertone in 1999

You seem to be forgetting that, while local races seemed to backlash against the Democrats, Ferriero's Democrats swept to wide victories in all three of the Freeholder seats. Given the ballot backlash in Rutherford and a few other towns, it is very impressive that they managed such wide margins, to be frank.
As I said, the process is a long process but it is an important start.  If the Republicans can slowly raise more money and claw back little by little, in 10 years or so New Jersey should be a slightly right-leaning state.  Add that to the mass exodus of people, mostly lower class people who can longer afford to live here, and the state could get more Republican than expected.

You're mistaking yoru local trends for the county's trends. The Northern Valley, which has a much higher population than the Meadowlands region, is moving towards the Democrats as previously expensive homes become affordable and as old rich are replaced by new rich.

Moreover, home prices have stopped rising and started falling in the area with the mortgage crisis, though obviously not nearly so much as in some places. Where the poor were once being driven out, that shift has stopped.
The population though lies more heavily in the lower areas such as the Meadowlands and up toward Hackensack.  If towns like Rutherford, East Rutherford, Carlstadt, etc. continue to move right that has a huge effect on county-wide politics.  Towns like Washington Twp. and Saddle River are not moving Dem anytime soon, and towns like Alpine and Tenafly have been consistently Democratic.  If Republicans want to win their efforts need to be focused in S. Bergen County, an area that now appears more winnable than ever.  Ferriero point to the fact that Rutherford and I believe Hillsdale (correct me if I'm wrong) were always Republican, but then again Bergen County and NJ on a whole is traditionally Republican.

Alpine voted 56% for Bush, far more than any town in your area (all of which were within two or three points either way). You might want to retract your statement. Moreover, there is no evidence that the Meadowlands is moving towards the Republicans on the federal level.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2007, 03:42:13 PM »

Moreover, there is no evidence that the Meadowlands is moving towards the Republicans on the federal level.
There has been no evidence to test this hypothesis on the federal level yet, and I am more concerned about first county level and then state level and then federal level.  Like I said, Republicans cannot expect an immediate splash.
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2007, 03:51:46 PM »

She's not going to lose Freeholder because she lost reelection in Rutherford.
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2007, 03:55:38 PM »

She's not going to lose Freeholder because she lost reelection in Rutherford.

I would only agree with that statement if she lost by a few percentage points, she could annihilated.  Hipp won by more votes than she got!
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2007, 03:50:31 PM »

What exactly was the result?
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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2007, 04:25:20 PM »


In the Rutherford mayoral election?

John Hipp (R) 3,706 (69.4%)
Bernadette McPherson (D) 1,632 (30.6%)*

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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2007, 10:34:57 AM »


In the Rutherford mayoral election?

John Hipp (R) 3,706 (69.4%)
Bernadette McPherson (D) 1,632 (30.6%)*

*Incumbent

Thank you. What did she get last time.
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2007, 05:21:19 PM »


In the Rutherford mayoral election?

John Hipp (R) 3,706 (69.4%)
Bernadette McPherson (D) 1,632 (30.6%)*

*Incumbent

Thank you. What did she get last time.
She won by about 200 over Real Estate Agent Peter VanWinkle
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2007, 06:38:48 PM »

I have been thinking who the Republicans will run in the near future for freeholder.  I have almost no doubt that Kathleen Donovan will be the nominee for County Exec.  I know a lot of people could care less, but I think these are some possible candidates:

Bob Schroeder:
What does the Bergen County lack?  Cash.  Cash would certainly not be an issue for a guy who paid to fly a plane over the Jersey shore.  Would he be the best candidate?  Probably not, but he would give the ticket the cash boost they need.

Jim Cassella:
I'm very surprised this guy is not mentioned more, he has continually won by huge margins in a town that is very evenly split.  Certainly would be a formidable candidate

Elizabeth Randel:
She should make a comeback for her old seat

So I think the 2008 ticket should be:
Schroeder, Cassella, Randel

Could they win? Idk
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2007, 06:55:31 PM »

Bob Schroeder:
What does the Bergen County lack?  Cash.  Cash would certainly not be an issue for a guy who paid to fly a plane over the Jersey shore.  Would he be the best candidate?  Probably not, but he would give the ticket the cash boost they need.

I'm hoping you meant the Bergen County GOP because if there's one thing Bergen County doesn't lack, it's cash.

Anyway, none of those would be particularly interesting candidates, and they'd all lose. Donovan might be able to unseat McNerney; I wouldn't be too sad to see him go. Still, she mainly wins reelection because her position is not one that decides political issues.
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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2007, 09:59:00 PM »

Bob Schroeder:
What does the Bergen County lack?  Cash.  Cash would certainly not be an issue for a guy who paid to fly a plane over the Jersey shore.  Would he be the best candidate?  Probably not, but he would give the ticket the cash boost they need.

I'm hoping you meant the Bergen County GOP because if there's one thing Bergen County doesn't lack, it's cash.

Anyway, none of those would be particularly interesting candidates, and they'd all lose. Donovan might be able to unseat McNerney; I wouldn't be too sad to see him go. Still, she mainly wins reelection because her position is not one that decides political issues.
Who would you propose as interesting winnable candidates?  I assume you'll say none in true partisan hackery, however, there are a few out there.  I mean I'd love to see Lonegan, its just not happening despite his amazing fiscal success
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2007, 10:08:40 PM »

Bob Schroeder:
What does the Bergen County lack?  Cash.  Cash would certainly not be an issue for a guy who paid to fly a plane over the Jersey shore.  Would he be the best candidate?  Probably not, but he would give the ticket the cash boost they need.

I'm hoping you meant the Bergen County GOP because if there's one thing Bergen County doesn't lack, it's cash.

Anyway, none of those would be particularly interesting candidates, and they'd all lose. Donovan might be able to unseat McNerney; I wouldn't be too sad to see him go. Still, she mainly wins reelection because her position is not one that decides political issues.
Who would you propose as interesting winnable candidates?  I assume you'll say none in true partisan hackery, however, there are a few out there.  I mean I'd love to see Lonegan, its just not happening despite his amazing fiscal success
No offense but there are no republicans who will win in the next freeholder's elections. Lonegan is a hypocrite, too. He has no future in politics.
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2007, 10:10:01 PM »

Bob Schroeder:
What does the Bergen County lack?  Cash.  Cash would certainly not be an issue for a guy who paid to fly a plane over the Jersey shore.  Would he be the best candidate?  Probably not, but he would give the ticket the cash boost they need.

I'm hoping you meant the Bergen County GOP because if there's one thing Bergen County doesn't lack, it's cash.

Anyway, none of those would be particularly interesting candidates, and they'd all lose. Donovan might be able to unseat McNerney; I wouldn't be too sad to see him go. Still, she mainly wins reelection because her position is not one that decides political issues.
Who would you propose as interesting winnable candidates?  I assume you'll say none in true partisan hackery, however, there are a few out there.  I mean I'd love to see Lonegan, its just not happening despite his amazing fiscal success
No offense but there are no republicans who will win in the next freeholder's elections. Lonegan is a hypocrite, too. He has no future in politics.
I highly disagree that are no candidates that could win.  There are a bevery of Republican mayors and elected officials.  I would love to see Bernadette and Hipp square off in the next freeholder race, but having Hipp as our mayor is too important.  I know him pretty well and I don't see him going further.
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