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« Reply #75 on: October 23, 2007, 02:37:33 PM »
« edited: October 23, 2007, 02:39:19 PM by jmfcst »

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
That's a good quote....but there have already been people that have come through. I mean, it's a fact.

OK, then name them.  Give me a list. Because even the writers of the Old Testament were focused on the Messiah and spoke through the Spirit of Christ:

1Peter 1:10-11 “Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.”

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No one comes through but through him means that there will be no more alternatives past the ones that have been made

“no one comes to the Father except through me” is obviously a claim of exclusivity.

Jesus also says those who attempt to enter by “alternative” paths are frauds:  "I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.” (John 10:1)

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....and I don't want to play the quote game with you UNLESS you demonstrate your source of this knowledge

the source of this knowledge is the bible itself.  I accept what it says without prejudice.

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I don't think it's a very good idea to jump back and forth with scriptures... I believe that would include trying to put two scriptures together that were originally separated by like 200 pages.

You believe the bible forbids jumping back and forth between scriptures?!  Now, that is a very strange belief since the writers of the New Testament did that very thing dozens upon dozens of times. 
 
I also understand it to be a matter of common sense that the bible can refer to a given topic multiple times throughout scripture, and that one has to take all the separate but related statements as a whole in order to fully understand the topic:

2Tim 2:15 “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Isa 28:9-10 “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?... For precept must be upon precept; line upon line; here a little, and there a little.

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Another problem with your analysis is that in revelation, the temple does reappear

I think the physical earthly temple (the one mention in Rev 11) will be rebuilt by the Jews and will be the location where the antiChrist reigns.  The other “temple” mentioned throughout Rev is God’s temple in heaven. 

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  and I also theologically vexed about how Jesus reaches those who he is not able to reach.

Not sure what time frame you’re referring to here. 

Prior to the 2nd Coming - The new covenant is universal in the sense it pertains to all who believe in Christ – all who have the Holy Spirit are led by the Spirit and therefore have a direct personal relation with God.

After the 2nd Coming, during the 1000 year reign, Jesus will physically rule from Jerusalem and human government will be abolished.

 After the 1000 year reign, Jesus rules for all enterity over those who have been given eternal life in a new heaven and a new earth.   

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Have you ever read the bible?

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« Reply #76 on: October 23, 2007, 03:28:51 PM »

I understand what you are saying, but do not understand how you can just read things out of their places. The Bible does, in fact, in the way you read it, contradict it self.

Isiah and Exodus (and they are both in the same testament) contradict as do several passages in the initial 4 gospels.

I mean, how can you bring the sword yet turn the other cheek?

Could it just be that protestantism, especially progressive protestantism was invented so that those who see these things can do so through the spirit in a way beyond what a gnostic can accomplish.

 ...and does John 10:1 include those already home? Also, how can a jew (or a least God in a Jew's body) be anti-semite while speaking about tolerance?

I don't obsess on the number of scripture, I focus on the substance and plain meaning and then on the reconciliation.

...and millenialism seems to be a fun thing to talk about as you have brought it up. I am a post-millenialist. What are you?

Why were we having this conversation anyway? Why should we treat anyone different because of their destiny in the afterlife anyway? I mean, what does that mean to ourselves and to others? I do believe that God does not break promises and if this was the conversation was about, beyond anything else about it, I am sorry....but what would you hope to accomplish? I personally think you are trying sophicize the bible and you think I am trying to water it down.
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« Reply #77 on: October 23, 2007, 05:21:23 PM »

No, I don't think we should treat anyone differently, as if favoritism was allowed.  And I am one of the most pro-Israel and pro-Zion posters on this forum.  But that doesn't mean I believe someone in Judaism can reject Jesus and still be saved.  I can separate my feelings that Judaism is a lost religion from my treatment of Jews.

Just look at the Old Testament - anyone who rejected the teachings of Moses was executed on the testimony of two or three witnesses.  So lesson number one should be an understanding that God can't be mock.

If you take the scripture for face value, then why don’t you accept what it says?:

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 5:10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.

Don’t these verses state that anyone who denies Jesus has also denied the Father and has made God out to be a liar?

So, from your point of view, how is someone (even an unbelieving Jew) saved who has denied the Son and the Father and made God out to be a liar?

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As for Israel, I believe God will turn the heart of Israel towards Jesus once the full number of the Gentiles has come in.  So the promises given to Israel will be fulfilled.

I also believe that God is patient with us and wants us to come to repentance...but he has not given us unlimited opportunity (i.e. unlimited time) to repent:

John 9:4-5  :As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

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As far as the biblical contradictions, you’ll need to list them so I can take a look.
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« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2007, 10:32:47 PM »
« Edited: October 23, 2007, 10:34:37 PM by Goa Tse »

Gee, well. I guess we can agree on some things, then. I am pro-Israel, but for objectivist reasons.

Yeah, I can't name the contradictions because I get Isiah mixed with Jerimiah. I generally, I guess like the catholic of old did, take the lesson and gospel without taking the actually citations. I'm not really good at citations, but sort of comes from my realist legal tradition that originated in the late 1920s at NYU and Harvard...and yes, I think we can stop there. Maybe  there are many who would be saved but have failed to be saved and they will  somehow eventually be saved by Jesus. My emphasis on him sort of keeps me one level away from universalism.
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