Obama Taking The Gloves Off Or Is This A Sign Of Desperation?

[Lincoln Republican]

When asked during the recent Democratic debate if he would meet one on one with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea, Barack Obama replied he would. 

Hillary Clinton called him naive in this respect, and said that she would not let the Presidency be exploited by these leaders and nations, and said she would use diplomatic channels.

July 26, 2007, Obama persisted in defending his position, making reference to the politics of the status quo, and using the term "Bush and Cheney light," presumably referring to Hillary Clinton.

In my view, Obama has again shown his inexperience, this time in a major way, and has been forced to defend this absurd position, as to back down from that position now would make him look foolish.

Is Obama taking the gloves off, or is this a sign of desperation on Obama's part?

Please discuss with your views and opinions.

[Kevin]

Things aren't looking too good for Obama right now,First he suggests sex ed for kindergartners,Then he suggests meeting and talking and perhaps giving in to the demands of some of the world's worst tyrants. however he does have plenty of cash on hand,Although this seems to be getting him no where.

[Ebowed]

First he suggests sex ed for kindergartners

It's sad that you probably represent the avergae American voter.

[Person Man]

First he suggests sex ed for kindergartners

It's sad that you probably represent the avergae American voter.

Although, the polls make him the most electable candidate at this time. Although he probably explained his position imporoperly. I think he should of just said that kindergarteners should know that babies come from mommy's tummy and the parent could have their child step out of class.

[Kevin]

First he suggests sex ed for kindergartners

It's sad that you probably represent the avergae American voter.

Stuff like this isn't going to fly with the average American voter.

[Lincoln Republican]

This is getting way off topic.

Can we get back to the original issue please?

Thanks.

[Verily]

First he suggests sex ed for kindergartners

It's sad that you probably represent the avergae American voter.

Stuff like this isn't going to fly with the average American voter.

The average American voter is a pedophile?

[Speed of Sound]

First he suggests sex ed for kindergartners

It's sad that you probably represent the avergae American voter.

Stuff like this isn't going to fly with the average American voter.

What touching isnt okay isnt sex ed, my blissfully ignorant friend.


as for this topic, I think he's completely right on this subject, and I think Clinton is being a total bitch about it. I say, go Obama. Bring her back from her pathetic repetitive political rhetoric.

[Boris]

I don't know what the hell either of them are doing. Neither should be engaging in negative attacks at one another; all it does is piss off the respective candidate's partisans. There was no need for Clinton to attack Obama when she's beating him in virtually every state in the nation while maintaining comfortable leads in all the early states except for Iowa. 

Obama's 'Bush-lite' comment was also uncalled for. Not only is the term basically meaningless and  subjective, but the idea that a Hillary Clinton Presidency would be similar to a Bush Presidency is ludicrous.

But yeah, how does one verbal exchange matter? No one will remember this come Iowa and I'm sure we'll all be happy friends come Denver.

[Ebowed]

No one will remember this come Iowa and I'm sure we'll all be happy friends come Denver.

Not entirely on topic, but I wonder how the candidates will feel about each other when we finally have a nominee.  John Kerry and John Edwards no longer speak to each other.

[Boris]

No one will remember this come Iowa and I'm sure we'll all be happy friends come Denver.

Not entirely on topic, but I wonder how the candidates will feel about each other when we finally have a nominee.  John Kerry and John Edwards no longer speak to each other.

Did they even communicate much on the campaign trail? It's pretty obvious that Edwards was chosen on the basis of perceived electoral weight, not to serve as a key adviser.

Regardless of the amount of negative campaigning between the two, Clinton and Obama will obviously publicly endorse which one of them wins the nomination. And probably give a rousing speech at Denver which will undoubtedly send the delegates into a frenzy. But personally, who knows? What did Reagan think of Ford after '76? Hell, what did Bush think of Reagan after 1980?

[jokerman]

Personally, I agree with his stance to meet with the rogue foreign leaders.  I would do that right now if I was President, particularly Ahmadenijad.

[useful idiot]

Its not his position on sex-ed or foreign policy thats his problem, it's slagging off Hillary after trying to portray himself as being better than that.

[Person Man]

Personally, I agree with his stance to meet with the rogue foreign leaders.  I would do that right now if I was President, particularly Ahmadenijad.

Yeah, this cold treatment is only going to make war inevitable.

[Eraserhead]

I think he is just taking the gloves off... finally. I can't wait for the next debate.

[Ebowed]

Did they even communicate much on the campaign trail?

I'm not sure.  After the election, the Kerrys did contact the Edwards to console them about Elizabeth's new diagnosis of breast cancer, but the Edwards stopped returning their calls.  Kerry had wanted to pick Gephardt or Bob Graham.  I read an interesting article about this the other day.

Kerry talked with several potential picks, including Gephardt and Edwards. He was comfortable after his conversations with Gephardt, but even queasier about Edwards after they met. Edwards had told Kerry he was going to share a story with him that he'd never told anyone else—that after his son Wade had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home, laid there and hugged his body, and promised that he'd do all he could to make life better for people, to live up to Wade's ideals of service. Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the same exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before—and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else. Kerry said he found it chilling, and he decided he couldn't pick Edwards unless he met with him again. When they did, Kerry tried to get a better personal feel for his potential number two; as rivals for national office since 2000, shortly after Edwards had entered the Senate, the two men hadn't spent a lot of time together. Kerry also wanted a specific reassurance. He asked Edwards for a commitment that if he was chosen and the ticket lost, Edwards wouldn't run against him in 2008. Edwards agreed "absolutely," as Kerry recalled him saying. If Kerry had shared this at the time, I would have told him what I did later: it was naive to think he could rely on a promise like that. Unlike Joe Lieberman, who'd been plucked from relative obscurity by Gore, Edwards had made his own mark in the primaries. He was ambitious—and if he saw his chance the next time, he was likely to go for it.

On the day the Edwards pick was made public, Edwards and I talked for the first time since I had informed him of our decision to work for Kerry and he had reacted angrily. He said he knew I'd helped get him on the ticket and he was grateful. I told him that I welcomed the possibility that we might be friends again, but that wasn't the reason for my preference. I believed it was the right move for Kerry. Kerry's relationship with Edwards would sour after the election—and mine would simply fade away. When Elizabeth discovered she had breast cancer, John and Teresa reached out to help the Edwardses find the best doctors they could. Marylouise and I called—but afterward, never heard from John again. Maybe we shouldn't have expected to. Kerry told me that the Edwardses simply stopped returning calls or talking to him and Teresa. Within months, Edwards started preparing for a bid in 2008. Kerry said that he wished he'd never picked Edwards, that he should have gone with his gut.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1626498-2,00.html

[jokerman]

Edwards had told Kerry he was going to share a story with him that he'd never told anyone else—that after his son Wade had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home, laid there and hugged his body, and promised that he'd do all he could to make life better for people, to live up to Wade's ideals of service. Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the same exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before—and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else.

Wow, that's exactly why I can't stand Edwards.  He's a complete fake.