Tyson Foods Lays Off American Citizens In Ohio . . .

[PSOL]

JD Vance is an idiot, this is exactly was a free market capitalist economy is.

Nazi Germany is claimed to be the epitome of a not!Free Market, and they were keen on deportations, yet exploited foreign labor and wages for "real germans" went down and did not meet even prior living standards.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I find it very hard to believe that Tennessee is a state sympathetic to 'undocumented immigrants.'

If there is anything to this, and there doesn't seem to be, I'd expect Tennessee to crack down hard.

Tennessee is actually a major destination for cheap exploitable refugees and the governor is a moderate.

The rhetoric around immigrants is like the CSU in Bavaria, they put on a tough show but don't actually care as long as they can squeeze money out of you. With the wealth generated by everyone working in this country that trickles upwards, barring some reforms for efficiency, there's enough money to support a United States with 3X as many people.

Maybe Fuzzy should blame the corporations then and not the exploited workers.

I'm fine with punishing the corporations.

[GP270watch]

I find it very hard to believe that Tennessee is a state sympathetic to 'undocumented immigrants.'

If there is anything to this, and there doesn't seem to be, I'd expect Tennessee to crack down hard.

Tennessee is actually a major destination for cheap exploitable refugees and the governor is a moderate.

The rhetoric around immigrants is like the CSU in Bavaria, they put on a tough show but don't actually care as long as they can squeeze money out of you. With the wealth generated by everyone working in this country that trickles upwards, barring some reforms for efficiency, there's enough money to support a United States with 3X as many people.

Maybe Fuzzy should blame the corporations then and not the exploited workers.

I'm fine with punishing the corporations.

 Then vote like it!

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

There's a fuzzy place here because we have people who come here claiming to seek asylum, and then it takes so long to process asylum claims right now that we let them hang out inside the country in the mean time, which can be years.

It's such a long delay that if you come here claiming asylum, you may as well become an American in that instant, because it will take us years to kick you out.

As word of this loophole has gotten around, more and more people have tried it with success, which of course only increases the burden on asylum courts and makes the delay even longer.  Soon, all 8 billion people in the world will show up at the southern border seeking "asylum", and be long dead by the end of the 1,000 year wait period it will take to process their claim.

So yes, these people are not supposed to be here.  But they are not technically "illegal" either.  After all the law says they are allowed to be in the country while they await asylum.  But the spirit of the law is obviously not being followed here, it's just a loophole that's being exploited.  For that reason I am perfectly fine calling these people "illegals" even though they're not.  They are abusing a loophole in asylum law to skirt around the legal process for becoming an American.

I view it similarly to if you went on Amazon, ordered a bunch of stuff, and then said it all "never arrived" and got it all refunded.  Guess what, you got it for free!  Are you proud of yourself?

Of course the lie here is that it actually did arrive.  Just like the lie in the asylum case is that most of these people do not have a valid cause to seek asylum.  But it will take years to figure that out.

Of course, Joe Biden would very much like to remedy this situation, and he has asked Congress to pass a bill written by Republican Sen. Lankford, which would dramatically expand resources devoted to the asylum courts while also mitigating the loophole.  This bill has close to enough bipartisan support to reach his desk.  But the Republicans are standing in his way.  They do not want to fix this situation.

Why would the party that claims to care so much about immigration want to avoid the solution?  I will let Fuzzy Bear explain.  Perhaps it has something to do with Biden's senility, the Republicans don't want a sloppy signature on the bill?

Anyway, I would invite Fuzzy Bear to visit Ohio and talk to these laid-off workers and explain to them his reasoning for opposing the bill whose passage would probably have resulted in them keeping their jobs.

I'll be moving to Ohio within the next 2 years.  My second oldest adult son and two (2) of my granddaughters work for a national food processor.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6542#:~:text=This%20bill%20addresses%20issues%20concerning,for%20employment%2Dbased%20immigrant%20visas.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (12/01/2023)
Immigration Visa Efficiency and Security Act of 2023

This bill addresses issues concerning family- and employment-based visas.

The bill increases the annual per-country cap on family-based immigrant visas from 7% of the total number of such visas available to 15% and eliminates the per-country cap for employment-based immigrant visas.

The bill establishes transition rules for employment-based visas such as (1) reserving a percentage of EB-2 (workers with advanced degrees or exceptional ability) and EB-3 (skilled and other workers) visas for individuals not from the two countries with the largest number of recipients of such visas, and (2) allotting a number of visas for professional nurses and physical therapists.

The bill imposes additional requirements for H-1B visas, such as prohibiting (1) an employer from advertising that a position is limited to H-1B applicants or that H-1B applicants are preferred, and (2) certain employers from having more than half of their employees as nonimmigrant visa workers.

The Department of Labor shall create a publicly available website where an employer seeking an H-1B visa must post information about the open position.

The bill also expands Labor's authority to investigate H-1B applications for fraud or misrepresentations.

The bill also prohibits H-1B or H-3 (trainee or special education exchange) visas for nationals of a foreign adversary country for employment in any matter vital to U.S. national interests.

The bill also allows certain nonimmigrant visa holders to obtain lawful permanent resident status if the individual (1) has an approved immigrant visa petition, and (2) has waited at least two years for a visa.

None of this would have prevented what happened in Ohio.

All of this puts more stress on the lowest skilled American workers.

I invite you to go to Ohio and tell those folks what Biden's Bill would have done.  I would be laughing out loud when those folks told you that (A) you were full of crap and (B) you care more about Democrats getting elected than non-Biden supporters staying employed.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I find it very hard to believe that Tennessee is a state sympathetic to 'undocumented immigrants.'

If there is anything to this, and there doesn't seem to be, I'd expect Tennessee to crack down hard.

Tennessee is actually a major destination for cheap exploitable refugees and the governor is a moderate.

The rhetoric around immigrants is like the CSU in Bavaria, they put on a tough show but don't actually care as long as they can squeeze money out of you. With the wealth generated by everyone working in this country that trickles upwards, barring some reforms for efficiency, there's enough money to support a United States with 3X as many people.

Maybe Fuzzy should blame the corporations then and not the exploited workers.

I'm fine with punishing the corporations.

 Then vote like it!

I'm not fine with abortion on demand.

I'm not fine with DEI and CRT on the public dime.

I'm not fine with willfully not enforcing immigration laws.

Voting is a choice.  Right now, my electoral priority is to elect candidates who will oppose those social policies that I consider to be a Full Frontal Attack on Western Civilization, which needs no apology.

[PSOL]

Western Civilization was founded on mass migration and depressing pay to build what amounts to d••• swinging. You can't have one without the other.

[GeneralMacArthur]

I'll be moving to Ohio within the next 2 years.  My second oldest adult son and two (2) of my granddaughters work for a national food processor.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6542#:~:text=This%20bill%20addresses%20issues%20concerning,for%20employment%2Dbased%20immigrant%20visas.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (12/01/2023)
Immigration Visa Efficiency and Security Act of 2023

This bill addresses issues concerning family- and employment-based visas.

The bill increases the annual per-country cap on family-based immigrant visas from 7% of the total number of such visas available to 15% and eliminates the per-country cap for employment-based immigrant visas.

The bill establishes transition rules for employment-based visas such as (1) reserving a percentage of EB-2 (workers with advanced degrees or exceptional ability) and EB-3 (skilled and other workers) visas for individuals not from the two countries with the largest number of recipients of such visas, and (2) allotting a number of visas for professional nurses and physical therapists.

The bill imposes additional requirements for H-1B visas, such as prohibiting (1) an employer from advertising that a position is limited to H-1B applicants or that H-1B applicants are preferred, and (2) certain employers from having more than half of their employees as nonimmigrant visa workers.

The Department of Labor shall create a publicly available website where an employer seeking an H-1B visa must post information about the open position.

The bill also expands Labor's authority to investigate H-1B applications for fraud or misrepresentations.

The bill also prohibits H-1B or H-3 (trainee or special education exchange) visas for nationals of a foreign adversary country for employment in any matter vital to U.S. national interests.

The bill also allows certain nonimmigrant visa holders to obtain lawful permanent resident status if the individual (1) has an approved immigrant visa petition, and (2) has waited at least two years for a visa.

None of this would have prevented what happened in Ohio.

All of this puts more stress on the lowest skilled American workers.

I invite you to go to Ohio and tell those folks what Biden's Bill would have done.  I would be laughing out loud when those folks told you that (A) you were full of crap and (B) you care more about Democrats getting elected than non-Biden supporters staying employed.

That's not the bill.  This is the bill.  https://www.lankford.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/MCC24166.pdf

Where in Ohio are you moving to?  I lived in Cleveland for about six years.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I'll be moving to Ohio within the next 2 years.  My second oldest adult son and two (2) of my granddaughters work for a national food processor.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6542#:~:text=This%20bill%20addresses%20issues%20concerning,for%20employment%2Dbased%20immigrant%20visas.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (12/01/2023)
Immigration Visa Efficiency and Security Act of 2023

This bill addresses issues concerning family- and employment-based visas.

The bill increases the annual per-country cap on family-based immigrant visas from 7% of the total number of such visas available to 15% and eliminates the per-country cap for employment-based immigrant visas.

The bill establishes transition rules for employment-based visas such as (1) reserving a percentage of EB-2 (workers with advanced degrees or exceptional ability) and EB-3 (skilled and other workers) visas for individuals not from the two countries with the largest number of recipients of such visas, and (2) allotting a number of visas for professional nurses and physical therapists.

The bill imposes additional requirements for H-1B visas, such as prohibiting (1) an employer from advertising that a position is limited to H-1B applicants or that H-1B applicants are preferred, and (2) certain employers from having more than half of their employees as nonimmigrant visa workers.

The Department of Labor shall create a publicly available website where an employer seeking an H-1B visa must post information about the open position.

The bill also expands Labor's authority to investigate H-1B applications for fraud or misrepresentations.

The bill also prohibits H-1B or H-3 (trainee or special education exchange) visas for nationals of a foreign adversary country for employment in any matter vital to U.S. national interests.

The bill also allows certain nonimmigrant visa holders to obtain lawful permanent resident status if the individual (1) has an approved immigrant visa petition, and (2) has waited at least two years for a visa.

None of this would have prevented what happened in Ohio.

All of this puts more stress on the lowest skilled American workers.

I invite you to go to Ohio and tell those folks what Biden's Bill would have done.  I would be laughing out loud when those folks told you that (A) you were full of crap and (B) you care more about Democrats getting elected than non-Biden supporters staying employed.

That's not the bill.  This is the bill.  https://www.lankford.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/MCC24166.pdf

Where in Ohio are you moving to?  I lived in Cleveland for about six years.

Southeast Ohio, around Ashland, KY and Huntington, WV.  Likely Jackson or Vointon Counties.  It's perhaps the most pro-Trump constituency in all of America.  It's shift from lean Republican to safe Republican is what has put Ohio out of reach for Democrats in statewide elections.  

That's not why I'm moving there, to be sure; all of my granddaughters and my great-grandchildren live in that area, save one.

EDIT:  What I've said about my future home area is true now, but this area was only lean Republican in 1992 with lots of voters that came from a Democratic heritage.  It was the area from which Bill Clinton chose to kick off his 1992 bus tour; that was not by accident.  And, sure enough, that area elected Ted Strickland to Congress in 1992, and while he lost in 1994, he regained his seat in 1996.

I wouldn't want Bill Clinton within 10 feet of any of my granddaughters, but the man was/is incredibly politically savvy.  I've long believed that one reason Hillary is so miserable is that she wants the glory of being President more than anything, but the difference between Bill and Hillary in savvy is the difference between winning and losing.

[jojoju1998]

Hmm. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but the local news sources have mentioned nothing about hiring.... other workers.

" Over the past year, Tyson said it would close eight older, less efficient U.S. chicken plants. And Tyson CEO Donnie King told analysts last month the company would continue “right-sizing” its operations, presaging the March 11 announcement that Tyson will close the Perry plant at the end of June to “optimize efficiency.”

"

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2024/03/18/tyson-foods-perry-iowa-plant-closure-others-columbus-junction-at-risk/72946699007/

Reuters:

Tyson's pork business had an adjusted operating loss of $128 million in the fiscal year that ended on Sept. 30, down from income of $198 million in the previous year. Its sales volumes fell 2.2% while average prices slid 7.9%.

The plant in Perry slaughters about 9,000 pigs per day, said Steve Meyer, chief livestock economist for Ever.Ag. That accounts for a little less than 2% of total U.S. pork production.

In December, Smithfield Foods said it would end contracts with 26 hog farms in Utah, citing an industry oversupply of pork and weaker consumer demand. Smithfield in October said it would shut a pork plant in North Carolina, after previously confirming it would close 35 Missouri hog farm sites.

Statements from the company deserve critical reading, but the exposé from Jesse Waters is so sketchy that it doesn't even establish that these workers in Tennessee are in the pork business.

This seems more to me like a misconstrued story.

[Indy Texas]

Fuzzy, would you be less bothered if the people at the plant in Ohio got laid off and Tyson hired "real" Americans at this different plant in Tennessee?

If the goal were just to "replace real Red Blooded Americans with foreigners" then they wouldn't have bothered bringing them on at a plant in another state.

Tyson presumably laid off people at their Ohio plant and hired more people at their Tennessee plant because some or all of the following are true:

(1) There is more demand for the product in places closer to Tennessee than in places closer to Ohio (poultry is not like car parts or fasteners - you can't just let it sit in a warehouse indefinitely or truck it all over the country because refrigerated trucks are expensive and the product will spoil eventually, so proximal location is a BFD)

(2) There is more demand for whatever specific product the Tennessee plant makes than for what the Ohio plant makes. Maybe it's ready-to-heat microwaveable chicken wings that Tennessee produces and Ohio's production lines are only good for processing raw chicken thighs.

(3) Tennessee's Job Creatin' Businessman Governor Bill Lee and the TN Legislature are just willing to throw more tax breaks and repeal or overlook more workplace safety regulations than Mike DeWine and the OH GOP are. (DeWine is on the sane end of GOP governors, I'll grant him that.)

None of those are Brandon's fault or illegals' fault and none of these things would be fixed by "securing the border."

[Flyersfan232]

I'll be moving to Ohio within the next 2 years.  My second oldest adult son and two (2) of my granddaughters work for a national food processor.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6542#:~:text=This%20bill%20addresses%20issues%20concerning,for%20employment%2Dbased%20immigrant%20visas.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (12/01/2023)
Immigration Visa Efficiency and Security Act of 2023

This bill addresses issues concerning family- and employment-based visas.

The bill increases the annual per-country cap on family-based immigrant visas from 7% of the total number of such visas available to 15% and eliminates the per-country cap for employment-based immigrant visas.

The bill establishes transition rules for employment-based visas such as (1) reserving a percentage of EB-2 (workers with advanced degrees or exceptional ability) and EB-3 (skilled and other workers) visas for individuals not from the two countries with the largest number of recipients of such visas, and (2) allotting a number of visas for professional nurses and physical therapists.

The bill imposes additional requirements for H-1B visas, such as prohibiting (1) an employer from advertising that a position is limited to H-1B applicants or that H-1B applicants are preferred, and (2) certain employers from having more than half of their employees as nonimmigrant visa workers.

The Department of Labor shall create a publicly available website where an employer seeking an H-1B visa must post information about the open position.

The bill also expands Labor's authority to investigate H-1B applications for fraud or misrepresentations.

The bill also prohibits H-1B or H-3 (trainee or special education exchange) visas for nationals of a foreign adversary country for employment in any matter vital to U.S. national interests.

The bill also allows certain nonimmigrant visa holders to obtain lawful permanent resident status if the individual (1) has an approved immigrant visa petition, and (2) has waited at least two years for a visa.

None of this would have prevented what happened in Ohio.

All of this puts more stress on the lowest skilled American workers.

I invite you to go to Ohio and tell those folks what Biden's Bill would have done.  I would be laughing out loud when those folks told you that (A) you were full of crap and (B) you care more about Democrats getting elected than non-Biden supporters staying employed.

That's not the bill.  This is the bill.  https://www.lankford.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/MCC24166.pdf

Where in Ohio are you moving to?  I lived in Cleveland for about six years.

Southeast Ohio, around Ashland, KY and Huntington, WV.  Likely Jackson or Vointon Counties.  It's perhaps the most pro-Trump constituency in all of America.  It's shift from lean Republican to safe Republican is what has put Ohio out of reach for Democrats in statewide elections.  

That's not why I'm moving there, to be sure; all of my granddaughters and my great-grandchildren live in that area, save one.

EDIT:  What I've said about my future home area is true now, but this area was only lean Republican in 1992 with lots of voters that came from a Democratic heritage.  It was the area from which Bill Clinton chose to kick off his 1992 bus tour; that was not by accident.  And, sure enough, that area elected Ted Strickland to Congress in 1992, and while he lost in 1994, he regained his seat in 1996.

I wouldn't want Bill Clinton within 10 feet of any of my granddaughters, but the man was/is incredibly politically savvy.  I've long believed that one reason Hillary is so miserable is that she wants the glory of being President more than anything, but the difference between Bill and Hillary in savvy is the difference between winning and losing.

"great-grandchildren " how old are you?

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I'll be moving to Ohio within the next 2 years.  My second oldest adult son and two (2) of my granddaughters work for a national food processor.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6542#:~:text=This%20bill%20addresses%20issues%20concerning,for%20employment%2Dbased%20immigrant%20visas.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (12/01/2023)
Immigration Visa Efficiency and Security Act of 2023

This bill addresses issues concerning family- and employment-based visas.

The bill increases the annual per-country cap on family-based immigrant visas from 7% of the total number of such visas available to 15% and eliminates the per-country cap for employment-based immigrant visas.

The bill establishes transition rules for employment-based visas such as (1) reserving a percentage of EB-2 (workers with advanced degrees or exceptional ability) and EB-3 (skilled and other workers) visas for individuals not from the two countries with the largest number of recipients of such visas, and (2) allotting a number of visas for professional nurses and physical therapists.

The bill imposes additional requirements for H-1B visas, such as prohibiting (1) an employer from advertising that a position is limited to H-1B applicants or that H-1B applicants are preferred, and (2) certain employers from having more than half of their employees as nonimmigrant visa workers.

The Department of Labor shall create a publicly available website where an employer seeking an H-1B visa must post information about the open position.

The bill also expands Labor's authority to investigate H-1B applications for fraud or misrepresentations.

The bill also prohibits H-1B or H-3 (trainee or special education exchange) visas for nationals of a foreign adversary country for employment in any matter vital to U.S. national interests.

The bill also allows certain nonimmigrant visa holders to obtain lawful permanent resident status if the individual (1) has an approved immigrant visa petition, and (2) has waited at least two years for a visa.

None of this would have prevented what happened in Ohio.

All of this puts more stress on the lowest skilled American workers.

I invite you to go to Ohio and tell those folks what Biden's Bill would have done.  I would be laughing out loud when those folks told you that (A) you were full of crap and (B) you care more about Democrats getting elected than non-Biden supporters staying employed.

That's not the bill.  This is the bill.  https://www.lankford.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/MCC24166.pdf

Where in Ohio are you moving to?  I lived in Cleveland for about six years.

Southeast Ohio, around Ashland, KY and Huntington, WV.  Likely Jackson or Vointon Counties.  It's perhaps the most pro-Trump constituency in all of America.  It's shift from lean Republican to safe Republican is what has put Ohio out of reach for Democrats in statewide elections.  

That's not why I'm moving there, to be sure; all of my granddaughters and my great-grandchildren live in that area, save one.

EDIT:  What I've said about my future home area is true now, but this area was only lean Republican in 1992 with lots of voters that came from a Democratic heritage.  It was the area from which Bill Clinton chose to kick off his 1992 bus tour; that was not by accident.  And, sure enough, that area elected Ted Strickland to Congress in 1992, and while he lost in 1994, he regained his seat in 1996.

I wouldn't want Bill Clinton within 10 feet of any of my granddaughters, but the man was/is incredibly politically savvy.  I've long believed that one reason Hillary is so miserable is that she wants the glory of being President more than anything, but the difference between Bill and Hillary in savvy is the difference between winning and losing.

"great-grandchildren " how old are you?

I'm 67.

[PSOL]

I'll be moving to Ohio within the next 2 years.  My second oldest adult son and two (2) of my granddaughters work for a national food processor.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6542#:~:text=This%20bill%20addresses%20issues%20concerning,for%20employment%2Dbased%20immigrant%20visas.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (12/01/2023)
Immigration Visa Efficiency and Security Act of 2023

This bill addresses issues concerning family- and employment-based visas.

The bill increases the annual per-country cap on family-based immigrant visas from 7% of the total number of such visas available to 15% and eliminates the per-country cap for employment-based immigrant visas.

The bill establishes transition rules for employment-based visas such as (1) reserving a percentage of EB-2 (workers with advanced degrees or exceptional ability) and EB-3 (skilled and other workers) visas for individuals not from the two countries with the largest number of recipients of such visas, and (2) allotting a number of visas for professional nurses and physical therapists.

The bill imposes additional requirements for H-1B visas, such as prohibiting (1) an employer from advertising that a position is limited to H-1B applicants or that H-1B applicants are preferred, and (2) certain employers from having more than half of their employees as nonimmigrant visa workers.

The Department of Labor shall create a publicly available website where an employer seeking an H-1B visa must post information about the open position.

The bill also expands Labor's authority to investigate H-1B applications for fraud or misrepresentations.

The bill also prohibits H-1B or H-3 (trainee or special education exchange) visas for nationals of a foreign adversary country for employment in any matter vital to U.S. national interests.

The bill also allows certain nonimmigrant visa holders to obtain lawful permanent resident status if the individual (1) has an approved immigrant visa petition, and (2) has waited at least two years for a visa.

None of this would have prevented what happened in Ohio.

All of this puts more stress on the lowest skilled American workers.

I invite you to go to Ohio and tell those folks what Biden's Bill would have done.  I would be laughing out loud when those folks told you that (A) you were full of crap and (B) you care more about Democrats getting elected than non-Biden supporters staying employed.

That's not the bill.  This is the bill.  https://www.lankford.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/MCC24166.pdf

Where in Ohio are you moving to?  I lived in Cleveland for about six years.

Southeast Ohio, around Ashland, KY and Huntington, WV.  Likely Jackson or Vointon Counties.  It's perhaps the most pro-Trump constituency in all of America.  It's shift from lean Republican to safe Republican is what has put Ohio out of reach for Democrats in statewide elections.  

That's not why I'm moving there, to be sure; all of my granddaughters and my great-grandchildren live in that area, save one.

EDIT:  What I've said about my future home area is true now, but this area was only lean Republican in 1992 with lots of voters that came from a Democratic heritage.  It was the area from which Bill Clinton chose to kick off his 1992 bus tour; that was not by accident.  And, sure enough, that area elected Ted Strickland to Congress in 1992, and while he lost in 1994, he regained his seat in 1996.

I wouldn't want Bill Clinton within 10 feet of any of my granddaughters, but the man was/is incredibly politically savvy.  I've long believed that one reason Hillary is so miserable is that she wants the glory of being President more than anything, but the difference between Bill and Hillary in savvy is the difference between winning and losing.

"great-grandchildren " how old are you?

Not old enough

[quesaisje]

Reuters:

Tyson's pork business had an adjusted operating loss of $128 million in the fiscal year that ended on Sept. 30, down from income of $198 million in the previous year. Its sales volumes fell 2.2% while average prices slid 7.9%.

The plant in Perry slaughters about 9,000 pigs per day, said Steve Meyer, chief livestock economist for Ever.Ag. That accounts for a little less than 2% of total U.S. pork production.

In December, Smithfield Foods said it would end contracts with 26 hog farms in Utah, citing an industry oversupply of pork and weaker consumer demand. Smithfield in October said it would shut a pork plant in North Carolina, after previously confirming it would close 35 Missouri hog farm sites.

Statements from the company deserve critical reading, but the exposé from Jesse Waters is so sketchy that it doesn't even establish that these workers in Tennessee are in the pork business.

Fuzzy, do you have any response to this? It's unfortunate that this discussion started with such a sloppy piece of journalism. I'm sure that you can find better reporting or piece the story together yourself if there is more to this, and I hope that you'll think about improving your news consumption habits.

[quesaisje]

Reuters:

Tyson's pork business had an adjusted operating loss of $128 million in the fiscal year that ended on Sept. 30, down from income of $198 million in the previous year. Its sales volumes fell 2.2% while average prices slid 7.9%.

The plant in Perry slaughters about 9,000 pigs per day, said Steve Meyer, chief livestock economist for Ever.Ag. That accounts for a little less than 2% of total U.S. pork production.

In December, Smithfield Foods said it would end contracts with 26 hog farms in Utah, citing an industry oversupply of pork and weaker consumer demand. Smithfield in October said it would shut a pork plant in North Carolina, after previously confirming it would close 35 Missouri hog farm sites.

Statements from the company deserve critical reading, but the exposé from Jesse Waters is so sketchy that it doesn't even establish that these workers in Tennessee are in the pork business.

Fuzzy, do you have any response to this? It's unfortunate that this discussion started with such a sloppy piece of journalism. I'm sure that you can find better reporting or piece the story together yourself if there is more to this, and I hope that you'll think about improving your news consumption habits.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I find it very hard to believe that Tennessee is a state sympathetic to 'undocumented immigrants.'

If there is anything to this, and there doesn't seem to be, I'd expect Tennessee to crack down hard.

Tennessee is actually a major destination for cheap exploitable refugees and the governor is a moderate.

The rhetoric around immigrants is like the CSU in Bavaria, they put on a tough show but don't actually care as long as they can squeeze money out of you. With the wealth generated by everyone working in this country that trickles upwards, barring some reforms for efficiency, there's enough money to support a United States with 3X as many people.

Maybe Fuzzy should blame the corporations then and not the exploited workers.

The illegal aliens should not be here.

The corporations should be sanctioned if they hire them.  They should receive public pushback if they use their resources to assist illegal aliens in obtaining the ability to work in the US.

[Badger]

I find it very hard to believe that Tennessee is a state sympathetic to 'undocumented immigrants.'

If there is anything to this, and there doesn't seem to be, I'd expect Tennessee to crack down hard.

Tennessee is actually a major destination for cheap exploitable refugees and the governor is a moderate.

The rhetoric around immigrants is like the CSU in Bavaria, they put on a tough show but don't actually care as long as they can squeeze money out of you. With the wealth generated by everyone working in this country that trickles upwards, barring some reforms for efficiency, there's enough money to support a United States with 3X as many people.

Maybe Fuzzy should blame the corporations then and not the exploited workers.

The illegal aliens should not be here.

The corporations should be sanctioned if they hire them.  They should receive public pushback if they use their resources to assist illegal aliens in obtaining the ability to work in the US.

Great! Let's actually make it much easier to immigrate legally and weed out the bad ones- which would never be perfect just like it wasn't in the 1920s! It's not because you fear those brown skin people making your white Heritage all the more Irrelevant in future america, is it?

[Horus]

If we had a Republican president, those jobs would have moved overseas. Thanks to Biden and his #BuyAmerican agenda, the jobs are staying home.

And exploiting illegal immigrants in the process because the CEO wants a bigger yacht, so wonderful!

Probably not though.

Sure Jan. Any red avatar who underestimates the power of corporate greed is running the party into the ground.

[Ferguson97]

The illegal aliens should not be here.

The corporations should be sanctioned if they hire them.  They should receive public pushback if they use their resources to assist illegal aliens in obtaining the ability to work in the US.

Do you think that Jesus would agree with this?

[quesaisje]

It's amusing how long this discussion can go on, entirely driven by people engaging with Fuzzy's personal bugbears, all while allowing him to ignore that the story that it's premised on doesn't appear to be true.

You cannot have a rational conversation with someone who warps the news into whatever reifies his feelings. It's just diarrhea of the keyboard with no connection to material reality.

[Yoda]

I'll be moving to Ohio within the next 2 years.  

Jesus, why? Don't you want to stay down there in MAGALand where it's warm year round and you have a Governor literally signing laws outlawing anyone from spouting any Woke Mind Virus beliefs? 

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I'll be moving to Ohio within the next 2 years.  

Jesus, why? Don't you want to stay down there in MAGALand where it's warm year round and you have a Governor literally signing laws outlawing anyone from spouting any Woke Mind Virus beliefs? 

I'm moving to the part of Ohio which is more pro-Trump than possibly any constituency in all of America.  (Southeastern Ohio, whose evolution put Ohio out of reach for the Democrats.)

Again:  That's not why I'm moving there.  I'm moving to retire near family.  I'm move to a 90-10 Biden precinct for that.

[Damocles]

Form I-9s exist, you know. So does e-Verify. I know, because I've had several employees who could not start working until they were certified as being legally eligible to work in the United States.

[quesaisje]

Reuters:

Tyson's pork business had an adjusted operating loss of $128 million in the fiscal year that ended on Sept. 30, down from income of $198 million in the previous year. Its sales volumes fell 2.2% while average prices slid 7.9%.

The plant in Perry slaughters about 9,000 pigs per day, said Steve Meyer, chief livestock economist for Ever.Ag. That accounts for a little less than 2% of total U.S. pork production.

In December, Smithfield Foods said it would end contracts with 26 hog farms in Utah, citing an industry oversupply of pork and weaker consumer demand. Smithfield in October said it would shut a pork plant in North Carolina, after previously confirming it would close 35 Missouri hog farm sites.

Statements from the company deserve critical reading, but the exposé from Jesse Waters is so sketchy that it doesn't even establish that these workers in Tennessee are in the pork business.

Fuzzy, do you have any response to this? It's unfortunate that this discussion started with such a sloppy piece of journalism. I'm sure that you can find better reporting or piece the story together yourself if there is more to this, and I hope that you'll think about improving your news consumption habits.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I find it very hard to believe that Tennessee is a state sympathetic to 'undocumented immigrants.'

If there is anything to this, and there doesn't seem to be, I'd expect Tennessee to crack down hard.

Tennessee is actually a major destination for cheap exploitable refugees and the governor is a moderate.

The rhetoric around immigrants is like the CSU in Bavaria, they put on a tough show but don't actually care as long as they can squeeze money out of you. With the wealth generated by everyone working in this country that trickles upwards, barring some reforms for efficiency, there's enough money to support a United States with 3X as many people.

Maybe Fuzzy should blame the corporations then and not the exploited workers.

The illegal aliens should not be here.

The corporations should be sanctioned if they hire them.  They should receive public pushback if they use their resources to assist illegal aliens in obtaining the ability to work in the US.

Report: Undocumented Immigrants Are Working On Trump’s Fancy New DC Hotel (2015)

Donald Trump Paid $1.4 Million in a Dispute Over Undocumented Workers. Read the Newly Unsealed Legal Papers (2017)

Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers(2018)

More than 100 undocumented immigrants worked at Trump’s Bedminster resort during construction: report (2019)

Report: Trump Happily Employing Undocumented Workers While ICE Rounds Them Up (2019)