Creation Museum

[Colin]

No one knows how the world was created, yet there is nothing saying people cannot study the world in an attempt to discover the orgin (and I don't believe States said anything to the contrary to that).

Well, to be frank, we know with a very very high amount of certainty how the world was created. The basic theory is that about 6 or 7 billion years ago a star larger than the sun, which was in our general vacinity, went supernova and shot plumes of gas and dust out into the rest of space. Over time these gasses came together and created a centre of gravity in the middle of the cloud. This eventually came to achieve such a mass that it began to achieve nuclear fusion and began to glow radiating light and heat. The Sun took up approximately 99% of the stellar cloud material in its formation. This other 1% continued to circle the star and began to form, first, small rocks and then larger and larger planetoids until the eight major planets formed, the larger ones sucking in the remaining gas from the cloud while the smaller planets remained rocky.

We know this with a very high amount of certainty due to observations on earth, such as the fact that our planet must have been made out of the remnents of a larger star since otherwise there would be no element heavier than lead which would be found naturally on Earth, and the fact that we have seen these same stages of solar evolution by looking at other stars. In a sense we can look at the origins of our solar system because we can observe other stars going through the same processes currently. So through looking at the creation of sun-like stars in other parts of the galaxy we've been able to almost glance back at how our sun and our solar system looked 5 billion years ago.

ok, i believe in evolution, but your explanation isnt so good, tell me where did that large star come from? How did matter and energy come to be?

It formed in the same way as the Sun did just at an earlier date. The elementary particles that would billions of years later form our galaxy were apparent during the Big Bang. Because of Red Shift, the fact that objects in space are moving farther and farther away from each other, our galaxy has been constantly moving away from this Big Bang point for, roughly, 13 to 14 billion years. So the large star that was around before the Sun was part of the Milky Way Galaxy during a younger period, probably having a lifespan between 6 billion years ago and 5 billion years ago, although this could be much shorter or a little larger depending on how large of a star it actually was. All of this gas, dust, stellar matter, elements, planets, everything in our universe traces itself back to the big bang, except for heavy elements which were created inside stars. Now what caused the Big Bang to form and what was there before then is up for a whole series of debates.

So basically the Big Bang occurs, then our galaxy forms around 11 or 12 billion years ago as a quasar later evolving into a more stable form, while also taking on the spiral shape that it now has. During this more stable period a star larger than the sun develops and, because larger stars have shorter lives, dies out rather quickly, about a billion years or so, and ejects what is called the "solar nebulae". This cloud of gas and dust turns slowly around a point of accumulation in the centre and then we go back to what I said originally. Stars have been forming, dieing, and creating new stars since probably a 10 million years after the Big Bang. We have already seen well formed galaxies only 800 million years after the Big Bang is hypothesized to have occured.

To MODU: Well yes our entire understanding of most things is pretty elemental now. We've only actually been conducting reasonable science for about 350 years now so were not exactly going to know everything.

As for whether God just placed all these lights in the heavens for, I don't know, aesthetic beauty, to trick us, whatever, the fact of the matter is we have to take what we see as what is realistically occuring. Saying that this is a vast creation of God and that he created the illusion of the Big Bang is, in my mind, as needless and as dumb as saying that there are two invisible Martians standing behind my desk chair observing me typing. While there is a possibility that there might be I can't go around in life assuming that the assumption is correct even though it goes against the evidence presented.

[DuEbrithil]

i understand how a star form. What I meant was where did all that matter come from? If we understand that conservation of matter is correct. Than matter can never created or destroyed.

[Colin]

i understand how a star form. What I meant was where did all that matter come from? If we understand that conservation of matter is correct. Than matter can never created or destroyed.

Well we can trace all matter back to the Big Bang. From before that its really only theories based upon our, so far limited, knowledge of cosmology, especially Big Bang cosmology.

[DuEbrithil]

i understand how a star form. What I meant was where did all that matter come from? If we understand that conservation of matter is correct. Than matter can never created or destroyed.

Well we can trace all matter back to the Big Bang. From before that its really only theories based upon our, so far limited, knowledge of cosmology, especially Big Bang cosmology.

exactly, which is why im not really sure what is happening

[RRB]

Rates right up there with the Flat Eath Society.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I'm all in favor of the Creation Museum as it is the truth.

[Hash]

I'm all in favor of the Creation Museum as it is the truth.

Can I say "lol"?

[7,052,770]

I'm all in favor of the Creation Museum as it is the truth.

surely you jest right?

You know, there are buildings on the planet that are older than 6000 years?

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I'm all in favor of the Creation Museum as it is the truth.

surely you jest right?

You know, there are buildings on the planet that are older than 6000 years?

Some organisms too:

    * A huge strand of the sea grass Posidonia oceanica in the Mediterranean Sea could be up to 100,000 years of age.[1]
    * Pando (tree), this genet has been estimated to be 80,000 years old[2], although some estimates place it as being as old as one million years[3].
    * King's Lomatia: The sole surviving clonal colony of this species is estimated to be at least 43,600 years old.[4]
    * A huckleberry bush is thought to be as old as 13,000 years of age.[5]
    * Eucalyptus recurva: clones are claimed to be 13,000 years old.[6]
    * Creosote bush: a ring of bushes in the Mojave desert are estimated at 11,700 years old.[7]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long-living_organisms

[Colin]

Jericho is at least 8,000 years old, the temples of Gjantija in Malta date to at least 3900 BC, and many of the megolithic monuments in Europe date to 4,000 or earlier. Not to mention things like cave art, sculptures, pottery, glasses, dwelling places, and weapons that have been found to be upwards of 40,000 years old. The 4004 BC date is completely wrong since we have evidence for Human habitation around the world from dates much, much earlier than 4004 BC. We have the first massive human construction achievements at around that time and the first cities, towns, and urban centres were developing.