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« on: January 21, 2024, 03:08:05 PM »

She’d be the default candidate considering everyone else is out.

Trump is old as dirt and something as simple as a nasty fall down the stairs could end his campaign

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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2024, 03:09:21 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2024, 03:19:25 PM »

She’d be the default candidate considering everyone else is out.

Trump is old as dirt and something as simple as a nasty fall down the stairs could end his campaign



No, you fail to understand how this works. Candidates always "suspend" campaigns instead of ending them. This keeps them on primary ballots so they could reenter in the event of a sudden  change of the landscape. It also lets them continue to collect donations to pay off debts.
So if Trump dies, the field just reenters and we continue.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2024, 03:33:40 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2024, 03:34:30 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2024, 03:35:26 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008

I repeat, why do you hate democracy?
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2024, 03:35:49 PM »

If Trump isn't the nominee, nobody can claim any kind of mandate to be the nominee. If anything, it's less of an obstacle not to have already been rejected by the voters.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2024, 03:39:49 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008

I repeat, why do you hate democracy?

Very few countries have primaries like we do. We didnt until 1972 ourselves
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2024, 03:42:39 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008

"Oh a black man won, time to end the show folks"

Even if that's not your intended meaning that's absolutely what it would be read as.

I agree with the general idea that smoke filled rooms may have been better than this system, at least on the Republican side, but 2008 would have been the absolute worst moment to do it from a PR perspective.
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2024, 03:48:04 PM »

That was the plan from day 1. Trump was never going to lose the nomination. Haley’s plan from the start was to be the last one standing if Trump is arrested or drops out. Well it seems she did consolidate the anti Trump vote. Now she waits for the trial results in DC and Florida. (Georgia is probably to fail)
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2024, 03:50:26 PM »

She wouldn't have the money to stay in after she gets blown out in SC and other Super Tuesday states
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2024, 03:55:33 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008

"Oh a black man won, time to end the show folks"

Even if that's not your intended meaning that's absolutely what it would be read as.

I agree with the general idea that smoke filled rooms may have been better than this system, at least on the Republican side, but 2008 would have been the absolute worst moment to do it from a PR perspective.
Why is everything about race to you guys
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2024, 04:00:05 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008

"Oh a black man won, time to end the show folks"

Even if that's not your intended meaning that's absolutely what it would be read as.

I agree with the general idea that smoke filled rooms may have been better than this system, at least on the Republican side, but 2008 would have been the absolute worst moment to do it from a PR perspective.

2008 was the first time the primaries resulted in someone who was unqualified becoming the nominee. Obama literally was a one term senator who ran for President just 2 years after being first elected to the senate which is just lol worthy. Only Jimmy Carter compares and even he was Governor for one full term before running.
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2024, 04:02:29 PM »

She’d be the default candidate considering everyone else is out.

Trump is old as dirt and something as simple as a nasty fall down the stairs could end his campaign



No, you fail to understand how this works. Candidates always "suspend" campaigns instead of ending them. This keeps them on primary ballots so they could reenter in the event of a sudden  change of the landscape. It also lets them continue to collect donations to pay off debts.
So if Trump dies, the field just reenters and we continue.

I mean, Haley would still have a head start in campaigning, especially since the others likely would've laid of their staff.

Anyway, yes, Haley should stay on as long as she can, even if Trump isn't DQ'ed, in case some black swan event takes him out or catapults her.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2024, 04:27:28 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008

"Oh a black man won, time to end the show folks"

Even if that's not your intended meaning that's absolutely what it would be read as.

I agree with the general idea that smoke filled rooms may have been better than this system, at least on the Republican side, but 2008 would have been the absolute worst moment to do it from a PR perspective.

2008 was the first time the primaries resulted in someone who was unqualified becoming the nominee. Obama literally was a one term senator who ran for President just 2 years after being first elected to the senate which is just lol worthy. Only Jimmy Carter compares and even he was Governor for one full term before running.

Obama was a solid president despite his lack of experience.

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008

"Oh a black man won, time to end the show folks"

Even if that's not your intended meaning that's absolutely what it would be read as.

I agree with the general idea that smoke filled rooms may have been better than this system, at least on the Republican side, but 2008 would have been the absolute worst moment to do it from a PR perspective.
Why is everything about race to you guys

We don't have to make things about race, you guys just give us the attack lines for free.
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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2024, 04:37:45 PM »

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008

"Oh a black man won, time to end the show folks"

Even if that's not your intended meaning that's absolutely what it would be read as.

I agree with the general idea that smoke filled rooms may have been better than this system, at least on the Republican side, but 2008 would have been the absolute worst moment to do it from a PR perspective.

2008 was the first time the primaries resulted in someone who was unqualified becoming the nominee. Obama literally was a one term senator who ran for President just 2 years after being first elected to the senate which is just lol worthy. Only Jimmy Carter compares and even he was Governor for one full term before running.

Obama was a solid president despite his lack of experience.

No, just give the nomination to someone who didnt run in the primaries then. Maybe try to repeat VA 2021 and nominate Glenn Youngkin

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Primaries should have been chucked after like 2008

"Oh a black man won, time to end the show folks"

Even if that's not your intended meaning that's absolutely what it would be read as.

I agree with the general idea that smoke filled rooms may have been better than this system, at least on the Republican side, but 2008 would have been the absolute worst moment to do it from a PR perspective.
Why is everything about race to you guys

We don't have to make things about race, you guys just give us the attack lines for free.
While I do think Obama was a decent president overall, his inexperience did result in some key mistakes

He ignored the Democratic Party at state and local levels, resulting in Republican dominance in several states. This meant veto proof majorities in some states, majorities in states they had no business having. This wasn’t corrected until 2018. 8 years of disastrous results for labor rights etc.

He continued to negotiate with Republicans when it was obvious they weren’t negotiating in good faith

And he listened to folks from the Clinton administration about the stimulus. It was much smaller, thus the recovery took years longer

While I don’t think Hillary Clinton would have done any better, a more experienced legislator like Biden probably would have gotten through a larger stimulus and realized Republican stonewalling sooner.

Compare the first two years of the Biden administration to the first two years of the Obama administration. It’s obvious Biden understands congress better than Obama ever did. And he’s a party man, keeping the local and state parties afloat

Of course, we have a lot of hindsight to be fair.
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2024, 06:34:57 PM »

If she has the resources for it and is willing to live with an agonizing defeat in her own home state.
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2024, 06:39:00 PM »

Very few countries have primaries like we do.

So? I don't care what other countries do. We're supposed to be a democracy.


We didn't let women vote until 1920, what's your point?
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