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« on: December 08, 2023, 08:30:00 AM »

A thread to post your thoughts on the British constitution, alternatives to it, proposals for federalism, proposals for codification of the constitution and so on.



The constitutional discussion on the UK General Discussion thread reminded me of something I did about 5 years ago when I was in secondary school. Digging through my OneDrive I was able to find it. There was a bit of backstory and it became a bit of an alternate history eventually with a party system, a PM (Esther McVey) etc.

Behold the Union of Britain. To be honest I think a better name for it would be the Commonwealth of the British Isles, as per my user profile on this forum.





I kind of wish I had named West Midlands as Mercia but that would leave East Midlands without a counterpart.

To preserve the concept of "England" the official names of the English provinces are "The English Province of Wessex" and so on.

Each province has a provincial assembly and powers similar to that of the Canadian provinces.

The Parliament is still bicameral but with an elected Senate of Nations and Regions to replace the House of Lords. Each provincial assembly elects 10 senators and the 10 overseas territories with responsible government each elect 2 senators. The overseas territories have no represenation in the House of Commons, which is largely unchanged from the present day.

List of Provinces ordered by population:
  • Thames & Solent
  • Greater London
  • North West
  • East Anglia
  • West Midlands
  • Scotland
  • Wessex
  • Humberside
  • East Midlands
  • Wales
  • Northumbria
  • Ulster

List of Overseas Territories:
  • Anguilla​
  • Bermuda​
  • British Virgin Islands​
  • Cayman Islands​
  • Channel Islands​
  • Falkland Islands and Dependencies​
  • Gibraltar​
  • Hong Kong​
  • Isle of Man​
  • Turks and Caicos Islands

That's basically as far as I ever got, beyond inventing the makeups of the provincial and territorial assemblies, which isn't really the purpose of this post.
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2023, 10:29:16 AM »

You forgot the glorious Pitcairn Islands Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2023, 11:58:48 AM »
« Edited: December 08, 2023, 01:21:38 PM by Deus, Patria, Milei »

You forgot Munster, Connacht, and Leinster. Irish independence was a mistake.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2023, 12:56:06 PM »

You forgot Munster, Connacht, and Leinster. Irish independence was a mistake that should be rectified.

póg mo thóin
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2023, 01:01:32 PM »

You forgot Munster, Connacht, and Leinster. Irish independence was a mistake that should be rectified.

My more recent working of it, the "Commonwealth of the British Isles" is intended to imply that yes, as well as making it clear that at some stage we yeeted the monarchy again.

18-year old Conservatopia wasn't an out-and-proud republican like 23-year old Conservatopia is, so he deliberately left the Head of State vague.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2023, 01:29:40 PM »

I participated in an AH.com project where we built an election map for an alt-UK that had Ireland still included.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2023, 08:23:30 PM »

Disgusted as I am by that Wessex yet overjoyed as I am by Yorkshire and the Humber's new name, I shall be presenting in further detail the proposal I outlined on the other thread. All talk of new constitutions on one hand, and of unwritten constitutions and political constitutions from overrated twerps who think they're far smarter than they actually with a Twitter following largely consisting of idiots convinced they're not on the other, ignores that England already had a constitution which should be restored as much as can be reconstructed and is practicable.

The English cyning, despite much confusion due to the usual mistranslation, was a head of state with wide-ranging powers, yes, but one who was most importantly elected and is better likened to a president than a monarch (as conceded to me in an argument with some 'unbroken continuity' pseudo-reactionaries earlier this year). The constitution as it existed before that most tragic of years therefore already offers a perfectly good solution: a head of state elected by some sort of electoral college.

Powerful as this president--as I will refer to him (as they all were, though Eadgyth's election was prevented only by her unwillingness to take the presidency) henceforth as a significantly better translation than the usual one--was, and I will note that it is little different to the power of the American presidency, the government of England was not his alone. From the unification of England by Athelstan national assemblies were routinely called, with representation from all sections of society, and also had a significant role in governance. And, likewise, as strong the English state was, so were the lesser tiers of government, down not just to the shires but to the hundreds (and their analogues). You might look at that as being a function of the former.

This model seems seems perfectly appropriate for England today. A representative national assembly with no permanently-set location, travelling the country and temporarily co-opting members by sortition. And there is no need for the regional assemblies long demanded by some, but rather strong local government with the realities of governance in mind instead of Yorkshire irredentism and other such nonsense.

England should also return to its pre-Norman borders. But not only William the Bastard should be held to account for the partition of Middle Britain: unfortunate as it will be to lose both Edinburgh and Glasgow, Scotland too must recognise its own voluntary involvement in this and return those Cumbrian and Northumbrian territories to, respectively, an independent Cumberland and an autonomous Northumbrian state in association with England. While the basic geographic realities of Britain should be recognised and a common defence and foreign policy in place, again there is no need for anything more.

I participated in an AH.com project where we built an election map for an alt-UK that had Ireland still included.

So that's who you are. I briefly participated in it at the request of the OP, but alas all I contributed were some mediocre Irish party ideas and some suggestions for names of proposed constituencies local to me.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2023, 01:41:32 AM »

People vote for who they want as their MP, and if they win, they get in. All else is commentary. Or such is my understanding of the English institutional tradition.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2023, 11:46:08 PM »

People vote for who they want as their MP, and if they win, they get in. All else is commentary. Or such is my understanding of the English institutional tradition.

Common misconception: those were the Alfredian OMOV FPTP-by-hundred reforms to the arcane West Saxon electoral system. The English institutional tradition began with Athelstan and, as I outlined elsewhere, was one of STV for boroughs and list PR for shires combined with the co-option of local residents where the national assembly was meeting.
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