Catholic Seminaries in the US are more extreme than Protestant Evangelical Seminaries.

[jojoju1998]

Why is that ? For example, at one of the seminaries in California, there's a professor who literally argues for Monarchy..... in America out of all places.

[quesaisje]

For example, at one of the seminaries in California, there's a professor who literally argues for Monarchy..... in America out of all places.

Maybe I should have posted here instead of opening a new thread about The Young Pope.

[afleitch]

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2021/11/78799/

There's a good article about this.

I would argue, and I really would like to see some research into this, that a combination of the conservative slant of US bishops, the increasing...'shared space' that hot button political Catholicism has with certain sections of the Right (as with the Catholic commentariat) combined with continued strict celibacy requirements and the screening out of moderate and liberal seminarians suspected homosexuals, from the priesthood has, effectively left you with a profession disproportionately attractive to deus volt incels.

I expect that is partly flippant and overly harsh, but probably not too far removed from the truth.

[jojoju1998]

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2021/11/78799/

There's a good article about this.

I would argue, and I really would like to see some research into this, that a combination of the conservative slant of US bishops, the increasing...'shared space' that hot button political Catholicism has with certain sections of the Right (as with the Catholic commentariat) combined with continued strict celibacy requirements and the screening out of moderate and liberal seminarians suspected homosexuals, from the priesthood has, effectively left you with a profession disproportionately attractive to deus volt incels.

I expect that is partly flippant and overly harsh, but probably not too far removed from the truth.

This doesn't seem to apply that much to religious order priests, they seem to have a " healthier " formation.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2021/11/78799/

There's a good article about this.

I would argue, and I really would like to see some research into this, that a combination of the conservative slant of US bishops, the increasing...'shared space' that hot button political Catholicism has with certain sections of the Right (as with the Catholic commentariat) combined with continued strict celibacy requirements and the screening out of moderate and liberal seminarians suspected homosexuals, from the priesthood has, effectively left you with a profession disproportionately attractive to deus volt incels.

I expect that is partly flippant and overly harsh, but probably not too far removed from the truth.

This doesn't seem to apply that much to religious order priests, they seem to have a " healthier " formation.

Religious orders tend to have worldwide governance structures, which I'd guess militates against some of the "American"-ness of what happens ideologically in the diocesan formation process. I think in some cases the prevalence of sex abuse was also known earlier, and thus acted against earlier, than in most dioceses.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Why is that ? For example, at one of the seminaries in California, there's a professor who literally argues for Monarchy..... in America out of all places.

     This is actually eminently reasonable when you consider that Evangelicals tend to be heavily Americanist and base their ideal political views on American history and political thought, even if they tend to land comfortably on the right-wing end of the Overton Window. Since America does not occupy a particular place of honor in Catholic political thought and ultimately is just another country, it is much easier for a Catholic political thinker to arrive at a view that exists outside of the American Overton Window (e.g. monarchism).

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Why is that ? For example, at one of the seminaries in California, there's a professor who literally argues for Monarchy..... in America out of all places.

     This is actually eminently reasonable when you consider that Evangelicals tend to be heavily Americanist and base their ideal political views on American history and political thought, even if they tend to land comfortably on the right-wing end of the Overton Window. Since America does not occupy a particular place of honor in Catholic political thought and ultimately is just another country, it is much easier for a Catholic political thinker to arrive at a view that exists outside of the American Overton Window (e.g. monarchism).

Political monarchism is no less fringe in Europe, Latin America or pretty much anywhere outside of the Islamic world (except a handful of microstates like Bhutan or Swaziland).

[Associate Justice PiT]

Why is that ? For example, at one of the seminaries in California, there's a professor who literally argues for Monarchy..... in America out of all places.

     This is actually eminently reasonable when you consider that Evangelicals tend to be heavily Americanist and base their ideal political views on American history and political thought, even if they tend to land comfortably on the right-wing end of the Overton Window. Since America does not occupy a particular place of honor in Catholic political thought and ultimately is just another country, it is much easier for a Catholic political thinker to arrive at a view that exists outside of the American Overton Window (e.g. monarchism).

Political monarchism is no less fringe in Europe, Latin America or pretty much anywhere outside of the Islamic world (except a handful of microstates like Bhutan or Swaziland).

     Today, sure. But just as America is not the crown of Catholic political thought, neither is the present.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Why is that ? For example, at one of the seminaries in California, there's a professor who literally argues for Monarchy..... in America out of all places.

     This is actually eminently reasonable when you consider that Evangelicals tend to be heavily Americanist and base their ideal political views on American history and political thought, even if they tend to land comfortably on the right-wing end of the Overton Window. Since America does not occupy a particular place of honor in Catholic political thought and ultimately is just another country, it is much easier for a Catholic political thinker to arrive at a view that exists outside of the American Overton Window (e.g. monarchism).

Political monarchism is no less fringe in Europe, Latin America or pretty much anywhere outside of the Islamic world (except a handful of microstates like Bhutan or Swaziland).

     Today, sure. But just as America is not the crown of Catholic political thought, neither is the present.

The Catholic arguments in favor of monarchy as an ideal political theory, with which I am familiar, would be fine for what they are if they had any actual basis in real history, yes.

[Samof94]

Why is that ? For example, at one of the seminaries in California, there's a professor who literally argues for Monarchy..... in America out of all places.

Someone who probably thinks Spain was better off under Franco I imagine.

[Georg Ebner]

Why is that ? For example, at one of the seminaries in California, there's a professor who literally argues for Monarchy..... in America out of all places.

Who is this?

[vitoNova]

Catholic seminaries are much more pretty though.  Gardens, [faux] cobble-stoned streets, old-ass looking statues of saints I've never heard of.   I felt moments of Zen.

Protestant seminaries = strip-mall establishments along Route 1 adjacent to Wal-Mart and Cici's Pizza.

[Skill and Chance]

Why is that ? For example, at one of the seminaries in California, there's a professor who literally argues for Monarchy..... in America out of all places.

     This is actually eminently reasonable when you consider that Evangelicals tend to be heavily Americanist and base their ideal political views on American history and political thought, even if they tend to land comfortably on the right-wing end of the Overton Window. Since America does not occupy a particular place of honor in Catholic political thought and ultimately is just another country, it is much easier for a Catholic political thinker to arrive at a view that exists outside of the American Overton Window (e.g. monarchism).

Yes, I can see how even the median Catholic or Orthodox American might be both more moderate on the D/R political spectrum and also more open to "exotic" systems of government than the median Evangelical.

There's also a distinction between conservatism in the sense of literalism in the law and powers of government vs. conservatism in the sense of traditionalism.  The OP seems to be anchored to the latter, while the median US conservatism is clearly more anchored to the former.