Have your political views remains constant, changed with your party, or changed on their own?
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Question: Have your political views remains constant, changed with your party, or changed on their own?
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My political views have remained constant throughout my life.
 
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My political views have changed when my party's views have changed.
 
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My political views have changed without the influence of any political party.
 
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2023, 02:26:19 AM »

My views shifted without the influence of any political party.

I feel like I should elaborate here. Basically I used to be a Bernie Sanders-style progressive, because all I would watch was left-wing media. I supported Sanders for the Presidency in 2020, then supported Biden in 2020. It wasn't until around 2021 that my views started shifting more to the center, because I started consuming more right-wing media. Eventually I decided that I should read both left-wing and right-wing media, so that way I could get both sides of the argument. Now I am a moderate conservative, who is not affiliated with either big party but more closely affiliated with the Constitutionalists.

Wow, it's bizarre how much this post almost exactly describes the evolution of my politics through the years as well. The only bigger difference being that I sport the Constitutionalist avatar, but don't really affiliate with them, being from Portugal and all.
It's so weird to see you as a moderate conservative. It's like I was once to your right and now I am to your left. And I too consume right-leaning media...
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2023, 02:16:08 PM »

The few issues that I’ve changed my mind on over time don’t have a clear partisan divide (trade, foreign policy, etc).
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2023, 02:33:30 PM »

The few issues that I’ve changed my mind on over time don’t have a clear partisan divide (trade, foreign policy, etc).

I agree that trade does not have a clear partisan divide, but foreign policy does. Democrats are generally the party of doves, and Republicans are generally the party of hawks.
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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2023, 09:44:21 PM »

Democrats are generally the party of doves, and Republicans are generally the party of hawks.

It's not 2004 anymore. GOP is fairly split between isolationists and neocons. Dems are split between liberal internationalists and doves.
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2023, 10:12:34 PM »

Democrats are generally the party of doves, and Republicans are generally the party of hawks.

It's not 2004 anymore. GOP is fairly split between isolationists and neocons. Dems are split between liberal internationalists and doves.

People don’t get that other than like the Reagan years and W years , you haven’t had a Hawk vs dove divide . The GOP has pretty much always had a mix of paleocons and super hawks while Dems have been a mix of liberal internationalists and doves and depending on the time period a wing of each party seems more dominant.

It’s why the best divide to use for both parties isn’t Hawk vs dove but those who value American Hegemony more or those who value liberalism more. It’s exactly why the neocons under Bush were just as hostile to international institutions as the Trump GOP was as both neocons and paleocons view them as a roadblock .



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« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2023, 10:23:31 PM »

I feel like not only have the Democratic Party and progressive movements changed but the entire culture has changed, and I've moved to the left on some - mostly economic - issues, and no longer identify as a Democrat despite being one in all but name. But that has more to do with my growing dislike of the two-party system.

I'm definitely more culturally conservative in relative terms, but I remain just as skeptical of government making life decisions for people. The way certain people handled COVID has also increased my pessimism towards those authority figures.

A mix of option 2 and 3. Voted option 2.
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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2023, 10:37:06 AM »

It’s why the best divide to use for both parties isn’t Hawk vs dove but those who value American Hegemony more or those who value liberalism more.

No.

I’ve already explained to you that it’s stupid to treat these two goals as mutually exclusive. Advancing liberalism and advancing American hegemony are, if anything, intrinsically linked.
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2023, 11:45:50 AM »

Democrats are generally the party of doves, and Republicans are generally the party of hawks.

It's not 2004 anymore. GOP is fairly split between isolationists and neocons. Dems are split between liberal internationalists and doves.

People don’t get that other than like the Reagan years and W years , you haven’t had a Hawk vs dove divide . The GOP has pretty much always had a mix of paleocons and super hawks while Dems have been a mix of liberal internationalists and doves and depending on the time period a wing of each party seems more dominant.

It’s why the best divide to use for both parties isn’t Hawk vs dove but those who value American Hegemony more or those who value liberalism more. It’s exactly why the neocons under Bush were just as hostile to international institutions as the Trump GOP was as both neocons and paleocons view them as a roadblock .

I thought the hawks were driven out of the Democratic Party by the end of the Bush Era. It is probably the main reason why Liebermann was so hated amongst both Democratic voters (losing the primary) and Democratic party elites (talk of punishing Liebermann for his support of the Iraq War).
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