What happened to anti-Israel conservatism?
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« on: July 17, 2023, 08:04:55 PM »

There was a time when hardline right-wingers hated Israel just as much as BDS does. What happened to that?
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2023, 08:05:44 PM »

...It never went away, what are you talking about?
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2023, 08:11:25 PM »

Honestly I think one factor is that Israel used to have an essentially socialist government, today Netanyahu is pretty much a partisan Republican.

To give an example of what Israel used to be like, although this is an extreme level of nanny statism that the American left would definitely not support today, Israel didn't even allow color TV until 1983, there was a campaign against colored TV because the idea was that because colored TVs were far more expensive than black and white ones at the time it would cause more class stratification between the rich and poor. Israel not only banned state broadcasts in color until then, it required that broadcasts of imported American and European shows be done in a way that removed the color even on a color TV, although people who bought a color TV got around this with a special device also sold with it (it was still a pain though, you had to reset it like every 15 minutes.) It wasn't until well after a decade after its introduction that Israel fully allowed color TV broadcasts.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2023, 10:23:12 PM »

Those are mostly just anti-semites, while this is also true on the left you have pro-Palestinians on the left too which is repulsive to modern republicans
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2023, 10:58:15 PM »
« Edited: July 17, 2023, 11:03:51 PM by Horus »

Over half of American conservatives are Evangelicals, and if a war broke out today between Israel and America they'd pretty much all side with the former.

Many other conservatives like Israel because they're conservative-nationalist, or because they're antisemites who don't want Jews in their country and view it as a good place to send us when the time comes. In fact I'd argue most antisemites on the American right are also Zionists.

And then there's Darren Bailey.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2023, 12:12:24 AM »

I mean, honestly, 9/11 happened. That's basically it. Suddenly the Palestinians stopped looking like solid religiously conservative warriors ready to take on those sneaky Jews and started looking a lot more like Osama to the far-right.
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2023, 01:28:27 AM »

Have you ever been on Twitter?
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2023, 11:03:54 AM »

The Israeli and Saudi lobbies are very powerful in this country, so much so that the majority of establishment politicians have been captured by them (this explains why there’s so much anti-Iranian and anti-Palestinian sentiment here in this country).
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2023, 12:20:00 PM »

The Israeli and Saudi lobbies are very powerful in this country, so much so that the majority of establishment politicians have been captured by them (this explains why there’s so much anti-Iranian and anti-Palestinian sentiment here in this country).
you don't think the terrorism plays a part?  Or do you think we'd just ignore the terrorism if it wasn't for the (((((Jewish Lobby))))?
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2023, 12:29:55 PM »
« Edited: July 18, 2023, 12:36:48 PM by Horus »

The Israeli and Saudi lobbies are very powerful in this country, so much so that the majority of establishment politicians have been captured by them (this explains why there’s so much anti-Iranian and anti-Palestinian sentiment here in this country).
you don't think the terrorism plays a part?  Or do you think we'd just ignore the terrorism if it wasn't for the (((((Jewish Lobby))))?

The Israeli lobby is not the same thing as the supposed "Jewish lobby." As I pointed out already, most members of the Israel lobby are Evangelical.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2023, 02:21:15 PM »

First, a clear connection between Arab governments and anti-Americanism starting around 1955 with a major Egypt-Soviet arms deal and the training of Egyptian officers in Eastern Bloc countries, then the emergence of the religious right in the 1970s.
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