Bush-Cheney and Kerry-Edwards Govt. Experiance

[mddem2004]

You didn't have that experiance in Bill Clinton, and you won't have it with John Kerry either.

What? Who mentioned Bill??? Is Bill Running for Prez?
Explain how Kerry does not have all that I listed?

[mddem2004]

You know where Kerry's experience has them all Beat???

Kerry knows what its like to take another human life....

Kerry knows whats its like to risk his life for his comrades...

Kerry knows what its like to have other lives depend upon your decisions.....

Kerry knows what its like to take a bullet for his country....

Thats the kind of experience you don't get sitting behind the desk of some elected office or a corporate board room. Thats the kind of experience that makes one realize the pieces on the map have real names, familys, and lives to lead.....

Thats the kind of experience I want in a president the next time we are ordered to war.....

Did you support Clinton over Bush and Dole?

Ah....yeah.....wheres the relavence when we are talking about the experience of the CURRENT 4 running for Prez and VP???

[PBrunsel]

You know where Kerry's experience has them all Beat???

Kerry knows what its like to take another human life....

Kerry knows whats its like to risk his life for his comrades...

Kerry knows what its like to have other lives depend upon your decisions.....

Kerry knows what its like to take a bullet for his country....

Thats the kind of experience you don't get sitting behind the desk of some elected office or a corporate board room. Thats the kind of experience that makes one realize the pieces on the map have real names, familys, and lives to lead.....

Thats the kind of experience I want in a president the next time we are ordered to war.....

Did you support Clinton over Bush and Dole?

Ah....yeah.....wheres the relavence when we are talking about the experience of the CURRENT 4 running for Prez and VP???

Kerry has what is listed, but Willaim Clinton did not.

George H.W. Bush was shot down over a hostile Japanese Island, and won the distingushed flying cross.

Bob Dole severely wounded himself and left one arm peralized serving his country.

In the respects you brought up, Bill Clinton was not fit to sit as President. I appreciate Senator Kerry's service to our nation, make no mistake of that. Although he only floated a boat south of Saigon, it's still millitary action.

[PBrunsel]

You know where Kerry's experience has them all Beat???

Kerry knows what its like to take another human life....

Kerry knows whats its like to risk his life for his comrades...

Kerry knows what its like to have other lives depend upon your decisions.....

Kerry knows what its like to take a bullet for his country....

Thats the kind of experience you don't get sitting behind the desk of some elected office or a corporate board room. Thats the kind of experience that makes one realize the pieces on the map have real names, familys, and lives to lead.....

Thats the kind of experience I want in a president the next time we are ordered to war.....

Did you support Clinton over Bush and Dole?

Ah....yeah.....wheres the relavence when we are talking about the experience of the CURRENT 4 running for Prez and VP???

If you really felt millitary expierience was what gave you more expierince and made you a great president, you would not have supported Mr. Clinton.

[mddem2004]

Thats not what I'm saying.....I'm simply saying that of the 4 that are CURRENTLY RUNNING, which is what this thread is about.....Kerry has that unique experience of having served in combat, and honorably, and the others do not. I think its important to have that in our next president, especially in the times we are living, because surely it would have been nice to have had that in GW before Iraq.....but alas.....

And why is it that Republicans always have to bring up Bill Clinton......Again, Is he running??

[PBrunsel]

You know where Kerry's experience has them all Beat???

Kerry knows what its like to take another human life....

Kerry knows whats its like to risk his life for his comrades...

Kerry knows what its like to have other lives depend upon your decisions.....

Kerry knows what its like to take a bullet for his country....

Thats the kind of experience you don't get sitting behind the desk of some elected office or a corporate board room. Thats the kind of experience that makes one realize the pieces on the map have real names, familys, and lives to lead.....

Thats the kind of experience I want in a president the next time we are ordered to war.....

Now Dole and Bush had all of these, yet you paid no attention to them and voted for a draft dodger like Clinton.

If you couldn't vote for Dole or Bush with these same qualifications, why vote for Kerry on them?

[mddem2004]

You know where Kerry's experience has them all Beat???

Kerry knows what its like to take another human life....

Kerry knows whats its like to risk his life for his comrades...

Kerry knows what its like to have other lives depend upon your decisions.....

Kerry knows what its like to take a bullet for his country....

Thats the kind of experience you don't get sitting behind the desk of some elected office or a corporate board room. Thats the kind of experience that makes one realize the pieces on the map have real names, familys, and lives to lead.....

Thats the kind of experience I want in a president the next time we are ordered to war.....

Now Dole and Bush had all of these, yet you paid no attention to them and voted for a draft dodger like Clinton.

If you couldn't vote for Dole or Bush with these same qualifications, why vote for Kerry on them?

I, unlike others, am not a one issue voter. There are dozens of reasons why I vote Democrat, but this is not a thread about why I vote the way I do.

This is a thread about what kind of experience these 4 men bring to the table.....

And the experiences I cited above regarding Kerry....in THIS election..... only he can lay claim to.

[??????????]

You know where Kerry's experience has them all Beat???

Kerry knows what its like to take another human life....

Kerry knows whats its like to risk his life for his comrades...

Kerry knows what its like to have other lives depend upon your decisions.....

Kerry knows what its like to take a bullet for his country....

Thats the kind of experience you don't get sitting behind the desk of some elected office or a corporate board room. Thats the kind of experience that makes one realize the pieces on the map have real names, familys, and lives to lead.....

Thats the kind of experience I want in a president the next time we are ordered to war.....

Now Dole and Bush had all of these, yet you paid no attention to them and voted for a draft dodger like Clinton.

If you couldn't vote for Dole or Bush with these same qualifications, why vote for Kerry on them?

I, unlike others, am not a one issue voter. There are dozens of reasons why I vote Democrat, but this is not a thread about why I vote the way I do.

This is a thread about what kind of experience these 4 men bring to the table.....

And the experiences I cited above regarding Kerry....in THIS election..... only he can lay claim to.

Nice dodge.

[raggage]

I think the current debarcle over experince, or lack thereof is ludicrous. Governor Bush had virtually no experience, especially in foreign policy, except for 6 or so years as the governor of a state in which more power is vested in the Lt. Gov.

What is more important to the American people is as follows:

Charisma
Likeability
Image of Strength
Integrity

Reagan had all four, Bush Snr just integrity, Clinton all of them except perhaps integrity, and Bush Jnr, has likeability and Image of strength.

[khirkhib]

We were not engaged in an ill planned war when Clinton became President being a vet was not a priority.  Now that we have American soldiers (and innocent Iraquis) dying  every day it becomes important that the next President understand the tragedy of the loss of every single life in war.

[MODU]

Thats not what I'm saying.....I'm simply saying that of the 4 that are CURRENTLY RUNNING, which is what this thread is about.....Kerry has that unique experience of having served in combat, and honorably, and the others do not. I think its important to have that in our next president, especially in the times we are living, because surely it would have been nice to have had that in GW before Iraq.....but alas.....

And why is it that Republicans always have to bring up Bill Clinton......Again, Is he running??

Unfortunately dude, you talked yourself into a corner with that.  You can't claim that you want a President who has military experience (ie Kerry) yet vote for Clinton over Daddy Bush and Dole.  Nice attempt though.  

Just say "oops" and move on.

[??????????]

I think the current debarcle over experince, or lack thereof is ludicrous. Governor Bush had virtually no experience, especially in foreign policy, except for 6 or so years as the governor of a state in which more power is vested in the Lt. Gov.

Do we have to go over this again??? The Lt Gov does NOT have more power then the Gov.

[qwerty]

The Lt. Governor is a completely poweless position. New Jersey dosen't even have one.

[© tweed]

The Lt. Governor is a completely poweless position. New Jersey dosen't even have one.

It is.  Kinda like the Vice Presidency.

[mddem2004]

Thats not what I'm saying.....I'm simply saying that of the 4 that are CURRENTLY RUNNING, which is what this thread is about.....Kerry has that unique experience of having served in combat, and honorably, and the others do not. I think its important to have that in our next president, especially in the times we are living, because surely it would have been nice to have had that in GW before Iraq.....but alas.....

And why is it that Republicans always have to bring up Bill Clinton......Again, Is he running??

Unfortunately dude, you talked yourself into a corner with that.  You can't claim that you want a President who has military experience (ie Kerry) yet vote for Clinton over Daddy Bush and Dole.  Nice attempt though.  

Just say "oops" and move on.

"Oops" my Arse!.......

You guys from the Right just don't freking get it, and I wonder why I keep trying sometimes.

1) This thread is about (or is supposed to be) over what strengths the 4 candidates bring to the table.

2) Kerry has the unique experience over the others of knowing what its like to ACTUALLY FIGHT for his country......and frankly I think those on the right just can't stand this deep in their souls, its like a sore tooth that everytime its brought up you say OUCH!

3) If you bother to read closely my original post stated "Thats the kind of experience I want in a president the NEXT time we are ordered to war". Has nothing to do with Clinton, Dole, or Bush 41....and if you haven't noticed none of those are running now. AND because I don't believe in the basic tenents of the Republican Party I would never have voted for Dole or Bush I despite their meritorious service anyway.

and finally.....

4) Had Bush known what it was actually like to take a bullet for his country, had he known what its like to make decisions that could cost your buddies their lives, had he known what it was like to actually take anothers life in time of war.....maybe.....just maybe.....he would not have been in such a rush to send other familys loved ones to kill and be killed for reasons that everyday is becoming quite obvious were quite dubious to begin with.....

But somehow I doubt it.

[khirkhib]

The Governor of Texas
http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/html/exec/0200.html


The design of the Texas Constitution denies the governor the opportunity to exercise powers held by governors in many other states. Unlike the US President, who with Senate approval appoints his cabinet, the Texas governor must share executive power with other executive officers.


Lieutenant Governor

http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/html/exec/0902.html

The Lieutenant Governor is a member of the executive branch but also plays the official role of President of the Senate.
The Lieutenant Governor's primary powers lie in the office's authority and influence in the legislature. The lieutenant governor appoints the committees of the Senate, a considerable power since committees generally control specific policy areas, and also assign bills to specific Senate committees. Generally, the various committees have responsibility over specific areas of public policy. But, the rules for assignment to committee are weak enough that they give the lieutenant governor considerable discretion in assigning bills to committee.

The Lieutenant Governor also casts the deciding vote in case of a tie, and serves as chairman of the Legislative Budget Board and the Legislative Council. He or she is vice-chairman of the Legislative Audit Committee and the Legislative Education Board, and when the Legislative Redistricting Board convenes (if the legislature is unable to approve a redistricting plan for both houses), the Lieutenant Governor serves as one of the five members. These official roles, coupled with the legislative influence of the office, make the Lieutenant Governorship significantly different from the office that seems a natural comparison. View a table comparing powers of number two executives.

The lieutenant governor has exerted growing influence in lawmaking and in administration and public policy since World War II. This may result partly from two changes to the office over the course of the 20th century.

Chart - Power of Lieutenant Governor
Very Weak
0  Utah and Kentuky
1 AK CO FL IL KS MD MN MT OH WI
Weak
2 HA IN IA LA VA and US Vice President
Moderate
3 MA MI NM NY NC OK PA WA
4 CA DE GA ID MO NE NV ND RI
Strong
5 CT SD
Very Strong
6 AR SC
7 AL MS TX VT


Institutional Powers of the Governnor
http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/html/exec/0400.html
The public, and even some governors, are surprised to discover the limited powers and resources that are actually available to the governor. To be sure, the governor exercises vast resources compared to the average citizen; but expectations far surpass the actual powers vested in the governor. View a table comparing policy powers of the Texas governor's office with governors of other states.


Chart on Power of Govenor
Very Weak
1  FL
2 IN SC TX
Weak
3  AL ID KY LA ME NM NV NY RI UT WA
Moderate
4 AR AZ CO HA IA MA MS NC ND NH OR PA VT WA and US President
Strong
5 CA CT GA KS MI MT NE OH OK SD WI WV WY
Very Strong
6 IL MD MN MO NJ TN VA
7 AK DE

I figure this is pretty much closes the topic.

[??????????]

4) Had Bush known what it was actually like to take a bullet for his country, had he known what its like to make decisions that could cost your buddies their lives, had he known what it was like to actually take anothers life in time of war.....maybe.....just maybe.....he would not have been in such a rush to send other familys loved ones to kill and be killed for reasons that everyday is becoming quite obvious were quite dubious to begin with.....

But somehow I doubt it.

Roosevelt and Lincoln had no military experience. Does that disqualify they from waging the wars they did?

[Wakie]

4) Had Bush known what it was actually like to take a bullet for his country, had he known what its like to make decisions that could cost your buddies their lives, had he known what it was like to actually take anothers life in time of war.....maybe.....just maybe.....he would not have been in such a rush to send other familys loved ones to kill and be killed for reasons that everyday is becoming quite obvious were quite dubious to begin with.....

But somehow I doubt it.

Roosevelt and Lincoln had no military experience. Does that disqualify they from waging the wars they did?

Nope, being in the military is not a requirement for being President.

But for the record, FDR had worked in the Naval Dept prior to his Presidency and Lincoln was a Captain in the Blackhawk War.

[??????????]

4) Had Bush known what it was actually like to take a bullet for his country, had he known what its like to make decisions that could cost your buddies their lives, had he known what it was like to actually take anothers life in time of war.....maybe.....just maybe.....he would not have been in such a rush to send other familys loved ones to kill and be killed for reasons that everyday is becoming quite obvious were quite dubious to begin with.....

But somehow I doubt it.

Roosevelt and Lincoln had no military experience. Does that disqualify they from waging the wars they did?

Nope, being in the military is not a requirement for being President.

But for the record, FDR had worked in the Naval Dept prior to his Presidency and Lincoln was a Captain in the Blackhawk War.

I'm just pointing out how ridiculous MDDems statement is. Lincoln had about the equivalent military experience of Bush and FDR had about the same experience as Cheney. What it comes down to is the president is the COMMANDER and CHIEF which means he heads the military and can use it if he feels it's necessary. We really don't know how Bush is feeling everytime he sees or hears about troops dying. But personally they way I feel and from the way he expresses himself he is VERY emotional on this subject. I believe he does or did cry over the dead soldiers much like Lincoln or Roosevelt did. I mean MDDems statement is just a low blow on Bush. Clinton dodged the draft yet he sent soldiers all over the world and he did it because he felt he had to do what was necessary. Taking a bullet does not privilege you to anything more then a purple heart.

[Wakie]

StatesRights,

I totally agree that being in the military is not a requirement to be President.  Plenty of great Presidents didn't have military backgrounds (Jefferson comes to mind).

That being said I believe John Kerry will be a better President than George Bush.  I hold this view for many reasons which I have put forward in other posts.

[??????????]

StatesRights,

I totally agree that being in the military is not a requirement to be President.  Plenty of great Presidents didn't have military backgrounds (Jefferson comes to mind).

That being said I believe John Kerry will be a better President than George Bush.  I hold this view for many reasons which I have put forward in other posts.

Kerry is to indecisive for my liking. A Democrat that I would trust to fight a war would be Lieberman.