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« on: April 30, 2023, 10:18:24 AM »

...voter

Basically the anti-bellwether voter

This voter ALWAYS votes for the losing presidential candidate. They never try to do so, but their preferences ALWAYS align against the Electoral College.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2023, 06:41:05 PM »
« Edited: May 21, 2023, 10:07:45 PM by Republican Party Stalwart »

Someone who disliked Nixon's "Southern Strategy" and was dissatisfied with his Vietnam War performance; who was turned off by Carter's "Southern" and "White working-class vibes" in 1976; then in 1980 was charmed by Carter's environmentalism and "human rights" foreign policy, who disliked Reagan's New-Right/laissez-faire fiscal conservatism, who disliked Reagan's version of the "Southern Strategy" and was turned off by Strom Thurmond's endorsement of Reagan, and who disliked Anderson's "elitist prick" vibes and/or doubted Anderson's ability to win and saw 1980 as a binary choice; who then was charmed by Dukakis's personality and simultaneously turned off by Bush's continuation of the Southern Strategy and the Willie Horton ad etc. in 1988; but who was also fond of Bush's northern background and his abolitionist/ancestral Republican patrilineal pedigree, and liked Bush's "country club" tendency, and had newfound respect for Bush by 1992 because of the fall of the USSR, Bush's Gulf War victory, and his choice to raise taxes even though it would be unpopular; and who disliked Clinton's "southern" or "closet racist" qualities and his "vain"/"narcissistic"/"serpent-in-a-garden"/"manipulative"/"pandering"/"two-faced"/"corrupt astroturfed puppet spook" vibes; and who was disgusted by the Lewinsky scandal when the news broke; and who liked Bob Dole's "classic wholesome All-American hero small town boy World War 2 veteran" character; and who disliked W's continuation of the "Southern-ization" and "New-Right 'fiscal conservative'-ization" of the GOP; and who found W to be personally unintelligent, buffoonish, and/or fake/manipulative; and who distrusted Dick Cheney and liked Joe Lieberman; and who recognized that Clinton did an objectively good job as president in spite of his moral failings, and who liked Gore's image as a "principled and experienced statesman with a strong family history of public service" image, and who liked Gore's environmentalism and "invention of the internet," and so decided to vote for Gore in 2000; who disliked Bush's fiscal or domestic policies and/or his handling of the Iraq War, and respected Kerry's veteran history, and so voted for Kerry in 2004; who disliked Obama's "elitist prick" or "fake" or "vain"/"narcissistic"/"serpent-in-a-garden"/"manipulative"/"pandering"/"two-faced"/"corrupt astroturfed puppet spook" vibes, and turned off by his "'Change' but I won't actually explain what that even means" rhetoric, or who was turned off by his "vote for me because I'm Black but without actually saying 'vote for me because I'm Black'" schtick (going on Oprah knowing full well the racial subtext, etc.); and who personally admired John McCain's character, image, "honesty" vibes, "moderate"/"centrist" vibes, pro-campaign finance reform record, and veteran history, and who may have been turned on by Palin's "mom" charm and "anti-corruption" accomplishments as Alaska governor; who liked Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan's "nice" and "moderate" and "non-racist" and "upstanding and honest" characteristics, and who may have also had George Romney nostalgia; who saw Trump 2016 as a dangerous racist radical and saw Hillary as experienced and levelheaded even if disagreeable in other respects; and who then was convinced that Trump "wasn't that bad after all" following his first term, and who thought Biden had too much dementia to be fit for office, and who disliked the real or perceived "mainstream media lies" surrounding Trump throughout his presidency and also surrounding COVID and/or George Floyd/BLM/Antifa, and who was disillusioned with the "off-the-rails 'woke'" trend that American culture had undergone during the length of Trump's first term, and was extremely turned off by the "woke" or "SJW" rhetoric featured at the 2020 Dem Convention.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2023, 11:14:54 AM »

Someone who disliked Nixon's "Southern Strategy" and was dissatisfied with his Vietnam War performance; who was turned off by Carter's "Southern" and "White working-class vibes" in 1976; then in 1980 was charmed by Carter's environmentalism and "human rights" foreign policy, who disliked Reagan's New-Right/laissez-faire fiscal conservatism, who disliked Reagan's version of the "Southern Strategy" and was turned off by Strom Thurmond's endorsement of Reagan, and who disliked Anderson's "elitist prick" vibes and/or doubted Anderson's ability to win and saw 1980 as a binary choice; who then was charmed by Dukakis's personality and simultaneously turned off by Bush's continuation of the Southern Strategy and the Willie Horton ad etc. in 1988; but who was also fond of Bush's northern background and his abolitionist/ancestral Republican patrilineal pedigree, and liked Bush's "country club" tendency, and had newfound respect for Bush by 1992 because of the fall of the USSR, Bush's Gulf War victory, and his choice to raise taxes even though it would be unpopular; and who disliked Clinton's "southern" or "closet racist" qualities and his "vain"/"narcissistic"/"serpent-in-a-garden"/"manipulative"/"pandering"/"two-faced"/"corrupt astroturfed puppet spook" vibes; and who was disgusted by the Lewinsky scandal when the news broke; and who liked Bob Dole's "classic wholesome All-American hero small town boy World War 2 veteran" character; and who disliked W's continuation of the "Southern-ization" and "New-Right 'fiscal conservative'-ization" of the GOP; and who found W to be personally unintelligent, buffoonish, and/or fake/manipulative; and who distrusted Dick Cheney; and who recognized that Clinton did an objectively good job as president in spite of his moral failings, and who liked Gore's image as a "principled and experienced statesman with a strong family history of public service" image, and who liked Gore's environmentalism and "invention of the internet," and so decided to vote for Gore in 2000; who disliked Bush's fiscal or domestic policies and/or his handling of the Iraq War, and respected Kerry's veteran history, and so voted for Kerry in 2004; who disliked Obama's "elitist prick" or "fake" or "vain"/"narcissistic"/"serpent-in-a-garden"/"manipulative"/"pandering"/"two-faced"/"corrupt astroturfed puppet spook" vibes, and turned off by his "'Change' but I won't actually explain what that even means" rhetoric, or who was turned of by his "vote for me because I'm Black but without actually saying 'vote for me because I'm Black'" schtick (going on Oprah knowing full well the racial subtext, etc.); who personally admired John McCain's character, image, "honesty" vibes, "moderate"/"centrist" vibes, pro-campaign-finance-reform record, and veteran history, and who may have been turned on by Palin's "mom" charm and "anti-corruption" accomplishments as Alaska governor; who liked Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan's "nice" and "moderate" and "non-racist" and "upstanding and honest" characteristics and who may have also had George Romney nostalgia; who saw Trump 2016 as a dangerous racist radical and saw Hillary as experienced and levelheaded even if disagreeable in other aspects; and who then was convinced that Trump "wasn't that bad after all" following his first term, and who thought Biden had too much dementia to be fit for office, and who disliked the real or perceived "mainstream media lies" surrounding COVID and/or George Floyd/BLM/Antifa, and who was disillusioned with the 'off-the-rails "woke" trend' that American culture had undergone during the length of Trump's first term and was extremely turned off by the "woke" or "SJW" rhetoric featured at the 2020 Dem Convention.

Is this the longest run-on sentence in the history of this site?
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2023, 03:41:19 PM »

Someone who disliked Nixon's "Southern Strategy" and was dissatisfied with his Vietnam War performance; who was turned off by Carter's "Southern" and "White working-class vibes" in 1976; then in 1980 was charmed by Carter's environmentalism and "human rights" foreign policy, who disliked Reagan's New-Right/laissez-faire fiscal conservatism, who disliked Reagan's version of the "Southern Strategy" and was turned off by Strom Thurmond's endorsement of Reagan, and who disliked Anderson's "elitist prick" vibes and/or doubted Anderson's ability to win and saw 1980 as a binary choice; who then was charmed by Dukakis's personality and simultaneously turned off by Bush's continuation of the Southern Strategy and the Willie Horton ad etc. in 1988; but who was also fond of Bush's northern background and his abolitionist/ancestral Republican patrilineal pedigree, and liked Bush's "country club" tendency, and had newfound respect for Bush by 1992 because of the fall of the USSR, Bush's Gulf War victory, and his choice to raise taxes even though it would be unpopular; and who disliked Clinton's "southern" or "closet racist" qualities and his "vain"/"narcissistic"/"serpent-in-a-garden"/"manipulative"/"pandering"/"two-faced"/"corrupt astroturfed puppet spook" vibes; and who was disgusted by the Lewinsky scandal when the news broke; and who liked Bob Dole's "classic wholesome All-American hero small town boy World War 2 veteran" character; and who disliked W's continuation of the "Southern-ization" and "New-Right 'fiscal conservative'-ization" of the GOP; and who found W to be personally unintelligent, buffoonish, and/or fake/manipulative; and who distrusted Dick Cheney; and who recognized that Clinton did an objectively good job as president in spite of his moral failings, and who liked Gore's image as a "principled and experienced statesman with a strong family history of public service" image, and who liked Gore's environmentalism and "invention of the internet," and so decided to vote for Gore in 2000; who disliked Bush's fiscal or domestic policies and/or his handling of the Iraq War, and respected Kerry's veteran history, and so voted for Kerry in 2004; who disliked Obama's "elitist prick" or "fake" or "vain"/"narcissistic"/"serpent-in-a-garden"/"manipulative"/"pandering"/"two-faced"/"corrupt astroturfed puppet spook" vibes, and turned off by his "'Change' but I won't actually explain what that even means" rhetoric, or who was turned of by his "vote for me because I'm Black but without actually saying 'vote for me because I'm Black'" schtick (going on Oprah knowing full well the racial subtext, etc.); who personally admired John McCain's character, image, "honesty" vibes, "moderate"/"centrist" vibes, pro-campaign-finance-reform record, and veteran history, and who may have been turned on by Palin's "mom" charm and "anti-corruption" accomplishments as Alaska governor; who liked Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan's "nice" and "moderate" and "non-racist" and "upstanding and honest" characteristics and who may have also had George Romney nostalgia; who saw Trump 2016 as a dangerous racist radical and saw Hillary as experienced and levelheaded even if disagreeable in other aspects; and who then was convinced that Trump "wasn't that bad after all" following his first term, and who thought Biden had too much dementia to be fit for office, and who disliked the real or perceived "mainstream media lies" surrounding COVID and/or George Floyd/BLM/Antifa, and who was disillusioned with the 'off-the-rails "woke" trend' that American culture had undergone during the length of Trump's first term and was extremely turned off by the "woke" or "SJW" rhetoric featured at the 2020 Dem Convention.

Is this the longest run-on sentence in the history of this site?

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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2023, 10:22:25 AM »
« Edited: May 16, 2023, 02:02:48 PM by Asenath Waite »

Middle class ancestral Republican or Independent from rural New England or the mountain west with racist and elitist tendencies (maybe a small town college educated police chief) who also has a hatred of southerners that he was only willing to overlook in 1980 due to thinking Reagan was a dumbass.
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2023, 09:05:33 PM »

Middle class ancestral Republican or Independent from rural New England or the mountain west with racist and elitist tendencies (maybe a small town college educated police chief) who also has a hatred of southerners that he was only willing to overlook in 1980 due to thinking Reagan was a dumbass.

There 100% should be a novel or film about this hypothetical character.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2023, 10:47:24 AM »

Middle class ancestral Republican or Independent from rural New England or the mountain west with racist and elitist tendencies (maybe a small town college educated police chief) who also has a hatred of southerners that he was only willing to overlook in 1980 due to thinking Reagan was a dumbass.

There 100% should be a novel or film about this hypothetical character.
I feel like there is, I don't know why. Why does that sound familiar?
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2023, 05:16:49 PM »
« Edited: May 23, 2023, 06:59:47 PM by Republican Party Stalwart »

Middle class ancestral Republican or Independent from rural New England or the mountain west with racist and elitist tendencies (maybe a small town college educated police chief) who also has a hatred of southerners that he was only willing to overlook in 1980 due to thinking Reagan was a dumbass.

There 100% should be a novel or film about this hypothetical character.
I feel like there is, I don't know why. Why does that sound familiar?

I feel like this exact type of character would work very well (or perhaps already has worked very well) in either:

1) a comedy or drama (oriented at middle aged and elderly readers/audiences, particularly women) where having relatable, believable, realistic, or "mundane" characters and settings is important; something like And So It Goes (2014) or Crazy, Stupid, Love (2011)

2) a "psychological" and/or supernatural story (from the horror, thriller, mystery, crime, noir, neo-noir, action, or drama/tragedy genres) where the plot revolves around such "ordinary" or realistic characters being placed into an "extraordinary" situation and reacting to it in a believable manner; something like Ex Machina (2014), Unbreakable (2000), The Sixth Sense (1999), or What Lies Beneath (2000)

3) exhilarating mystery/crime stories that have plots revolving around solving the mystery; things such as the works of John Grisham and Raymond Chandler

4) works with elements from some combination of the above genres; examples include "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" (1939) and its film adaptations (1947 and 2013), Knives Out (2019), Man from Reno (2014), In a Lonely Place (1950), and many movies starring Glenn Ford (such as The Big Heat (1953) and Human Desire (1954)).
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2023, 06:27:12 PM »
« Edited: November 08, 2023, 06:56:53 PM by Republican Party Stalwart »

Middle class ancestral Republican or Independent from rural New England or the mountain west with racist and elitist tendencies (maybe a small town college educated police chief) who also has a hatred of southerners that he was only willing to overlook in 1980 due to thinking Reagan was a dumbass.

I'm doing a little bit of "headcanon-ing" about this hypothetical character's background more in-detail.

If he's an independent, then I'm envisioning him as a first- or second-generation Ashkenazi Jewish-American, with a distrust of Catholics in addition to a hatred of Southerners, who was born and raised in a Northeastern, Great Lakes/Midwestern, or coastal metro area (possibly in a densely populated suburb, but most likely in either the city proper or an adjacent smaller city of equal population density), who graduated college/university with a degree in law or criminal justice, and then moved to New England or the Mountain West sometime during the broader "White Fight" era, and ended up in a small town where he eventually became the police chief. He had enthusiastic social-liberal views in his youth, but became more conservative (at least in the "small-c" sense) and/or "cynical" as he got older. Regarding how he would have voted before 1972, and the extent of his "anti-bellwether" tendency, I don't think that the original poster imagined him as being eligible to vote before 1972, and I can't imagine him being both alive and eligible before 1956 at the latest, and I think it's literally impossible before 1944 (especially when remembering that the voting age was 21 before 72). That said, I can imagine him voting for Stevenson in 52 and 56, for Nixon in 1960 and for Goldwater in 64, for Humphrey in 68, for either Tom Dewey or Henry Wallace in 1948, and even for Dewey in 44.

However, if by some miracle he was alive and eligible to vote by 1928, I can just barely imagine him voting against FDR in 32 and 36 just to spite Cactus Jack, and in 1940 for idealistic reasons and an admiration of Willkie (if not also out of distrust for the New Deal Coalition as a whole, and/or contempt for FDR's personal background - not necessarily the fact that he was rich/elite, but rather out of a perception that he was "corrupt" on some level). Paradoxically, despite Smith being a Catholic and Joseph Taylor Robinson being a southerner, I can imagine him voting for Smith in 1928 for purely ideological reasons, or because of opposition to prohibition, or because of the "non-elite" backgrounds of Hoover and Curtis, or because of Smith and the KKK's mutual opposition to each other, or because of a general "tolerance" message associated with Smith's campaign which implicitly suggested greater social acceptance of Jews. If we give this guy the absolute benefit of the doubt by making him 122 years old (the oldest recorded, verifiable age any human has ever reached before death IIRC) in 2020, then he would have been eligible to vote in 1920 and 1924, in which case I can imagine him voting for either Cox, Debs, or Christensen in 1920 and for either Davis or La Follette in 24.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2023, 02:15:31 PM »

Middle class ancestral Republican or Independent from rural New England or the mountain west with racist and elitist tendencies (maybe a small town college educated police chief) who also has a hatred of southerners that he was only willing to overlook in 1980 due to thinking Reagan was a dumbass.

There 100% should be a novel or film about this hypothetical character.
I feel like there is, I don't know why. Why does that sound familiar?

I feel like this exact type of character would work very well (or perhaps already has worked very well) in either:

1) a comedy or drama (oriented at middle aged and elderly readers/audiences, particularly women) where having relatable, believable, realistic, or "mundane" characters and settings is important; something like And So It Goes (2014) or Crazy, Stupid, Love (2011)

2) a "psychological" and/or supernatural story (from the horror, thriller, mystery, crime, noir, neo-noir, action, or drama/tragedy genres) where the plot revolves around such "ordinary" or realistic characters being placed into an "extraordinary" situation and reacting to it in a believable manner; something like Ex Machina (2014), Unbreakable (2000), The Sixth Sense (1999), or What Lies Beneath (2000)

3) exhilarating mystery/crime stories that have plots revolving around solving the mystery; things such as the works of John Grisham and Raymond Chandler

4) works with elements from some combination of the above genres; examples include "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" (1939) and its film adaptations (1947 and 2013), Knives Out (2019), Man from Reno (2014), The Big Heat (1953), In a Lonely Place (1950), and Human Desire (1954).

In any of these genres it would make for a hilarious running gag if it comes up that the character has voted for the loser in every presidential election going back to 1972. Somebody needs to write this character lol.
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2023, 07:18:27 PM »

Middle class ancestral Republican or Independent from rural New England or the mountain west with racist and elitist tendencies (maybe a small town college educated police chief) who also has a hatred of southerners that he was only willing to overlook in 1980 due to thinking Reagan was a dumbass.

There 100% should be a novel or film about this hypothetical character.
I feel like there is, I don't know why. Why does that sound familiar?

I feel like this exact type of character would work very well (or perhaps already has worked very well) in either:

1) a comedy or drama (oriented at middle aged and elderly readers/audiences, particularly women) where having relatable, believable, realistic, or "mundane" characters and settings is important; something like And So It Goes (2014) or Crazy, Stupid, Love (2011)

2) a "psychological" and/or supernatural story (from the horror, thriller, mystery, crime, noir, neo-noir, action, or drama/tragedy genres) where the plot revolves around such "ordinary" or realistic characters being placed into an "extraordinary" situation and reacting to it in a believable manner; something like Ex Machina (2014), Unbreakable (2000), The Sixth Sense (1999), or What Lies Beneath (2000)

3) exhilarating mystery/crime stories that have plots revolving around solving the mystery; things such as the works of John Grisham and Raymond Chandler

4) works with elements from some combination of the above genres; examples include "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" (1939) and its film adaptations (1947 and 2013), Knives Out (2019), Man from Reno (2014), The Big Heat (1953), In a Lonely Place (1950), and Human Desire (1954).

In any of these genres it would make for a hilarious running gag if it comes up that the character has voted for the loser in every presidential election going back to 1972. Somebody needs to write this character lol.

Do you think he has any kids/grandkids? and what is your opinion on the background I invented for him?plz notice me sempai

I can imagine him being married, widowed, or divorced and with children, and I can imagine him as being a lifelong childless bachelor, but for some reason it's harder for me to imagine him (at least the version of him that I came up with) as being both married and childless.
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