The New Divide isn't race or gender. It's education.

[Vosem]

One thing about the "is college worth it argument"

This is sort of going off on a tangent, but it does fascinate me how conservatives simultaneously make the argument that going to college isn't worth it and that there are lots of good jobs that don't require a degree, and that those with a college degree are uniquely elite and thusly not deserving of stuff like loan forgiveness.

Is college a waste of time and money, or does it make you an elite? It cannot be both!

...sure it can. Those who go to good schools for good scholarships and get good jobs have their lives strongly improved, and at the upper end of this group become 'elites'. But the numbers suggest many degree programs are in fact wastes of time and money (not necessarily a STEM vs. humanities thing here; many humanities programs, though not all, really do help those who finish them).

Not all college experiences are created equal, even at the same school and in the same degree program. Both of these perspectives are accurate, albeit for different individuals.

[Ferguson97]

One thing about the "is college worth it argument"

This is sort of going off on a tangent, but it does fascinate me how conservatives simultaneously make the argument that going to college isn't worth it and that there are lots of good jobs that don't require a degree, and that those with a college degree are uniquely elite and thusly not deserving of stuff like loan forgiveness.

Is college a waste of time and money, or does it make you an elite? It cannot be both!

...sure it can. Those who go to good schools for good scholarships and get good jobs have their lives strongly improved, and at the upper end of this group become 'elites'. But the numbers suggest many degree programs are in fact wastes of time and money (not necessarily a STEM vs. humanities thing here; many humanities programs, though not all, really do help those who finish them).

Not all college experiences are created equal, even at the same school and in the same degree program. Both of these perspectives are accurate, albeit for different individuals.

Then why do conservatives make extremely general statements that college=elite?

It's absurd to suggest that a middle school history teacher is more elite than a long shoreman pulling six figures a year simply because the former went to college and the latter did not.

[Vosem]

One thing about the "is college worth it argument"

This is sort of going off on a tangent, but it does fascinate me how conservatives simultaneously make the argument that going to college isn't worth it and that there are lots of good jobs that don't require a degree, and that those with a college degree are uniquely elite and thusly not deserving of stuff like loan forgiveness.

Is college a waste of time and money, or does it make you an elite? It cannot be both!

...sure it can. Those who go to good schools for good scholarships and get good jobs have their lives strongly improved, and at the upper end of this group become 'elites'. But the numbers suggest many degree programs are in fact wastes of time and money (not necessarily a STEM vs. humanities thing here; many humanities programs, though not all, really do help those who finish them).

Not all college experiences are created equal, even at the same school and in the same degree program. Both of these perspectives are accurate, albeit for different individuals.

Then why do conservatives make extremely general statements that college=elite?

It's absurd to suggest that a middle school history teacher is more elite than a long shoreman pulling six figures a year simply because the former went to college and the latter did not.

I feel like this is about educational administrators having too much power, and then by extension people who share their worldview, but it's kind of tough to say because you're gesturing at something broad rather than providing a specific example.

[Devils30]

It's still very questionable how much progress the GOP can make with working class Hispanics. Made a lot in Florida but the 2022 numbers vs 2020 were very unimpressive for them in AZ, NV, NM, TX.

Why do you think that is?

In 2020 this was tied to exposure to Spanish-language media, but in 2022 it seemed to mostly be downstream of how effective Republican campaigns were; Republicans made pretty large gains with working-class Hispanics in parts of CA and NY (though it is fair to note that turnout crashed there in an absolute sense).

I don't think the NV or TX numbers were even absolutely that bad (they were bad adjusting for the lean of the year, but it was absolutely fine; the GOP did poorly in both places with white suburbanites). The AZ numbers were awful in an underrated way, though -- the GOP really got bailed out there by redistricting; under the old lines the Democrats would've seized a trifecta and maintained a 5-4 majority in the congressional delegation. (OTOH worth noting that under the old lines the GOP would've maintained control of the MI legislature and in fact done so decently comfortably.)

To be fair, the Ds losses in AZ-1 and 6 were more the result of not trying hard enough. Even the losing Dem for superintendent carried 1 and 6 and both are trending Dem rapidly.

[oldtimer]

The divide could be education, however college minorities don't look like they are voting that differently from non-college minorities.

So if the divide exists it's mostly inside the White community, specifically White Female.

That stereotype has been so prevalent for so long that I remember an entire TV show was made called "Just Shoot Me" in the 1990's, where a mentaly ill female Stanford graduate proceeds to ruin her father's fashion magazine, at least that's how I remember it.

[Person Man]

One thing about the "is college worth it argument"

This is sort of going off on a tangent, but it does fascinate me how conservatives simultaneously make the argument that going to college isn't worth it and that there are lots of good jobs that don't require a degree, and that those with a college degree are uniquely elite and thusly not deserving of stuff like loan forgiveness.

Is college a waste of time and money, or does it make you an elite? It cannot be both!

The how right wing logic works. Our opponents are equally pathetic and a threat.

[Blue3]

We've kind of known this, increasingly so, since 2016.

More like 2006.

We've kind of known this, increasingly so, since 2016.

Right. So, how do we resolve this ?

More and better Civics education.

We've had too much emphasis on STEM and for too long.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

We've kind of known this, increasingly so, since 2016.

More like 2006.

Didn't the 2006 midterms see huge D gains among non-college whites in the Midwest?

[TheElectoralBoobyPrize]

Depending on the exit poll, Trump either wins or only narrowly loses college-educated whites.

[Person Man]

Depending on the exit poll, Trump either wins or only narrowly loses college-educated whites.

He will probably end up losing them and he still might lose them even if he flips Wisconsin or Nevada.