If Biden wins in 2024, would Harris be the clear favorite for 2028?
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« on: December 05, 2022, 06:49:39 PM »

If Biden wins in 2024 and she is still his VP, will having four more years of experience as VP set her up well to clinch the nomination in 2028 and be elected the First Woman President?

I know that she is not likable among everyone, but is it possible that she would grow on people the longer she is in her current role?

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2022, 06:52:08 PM »

Hopefully not, but even then it might not matter because any Democrat would go into an eight year itch election as the underdog.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2022, 08:17:22 PM »

No. Not because of any specific weaknesses that Harris has, but because it is very rare for a party to get more than two consecutive terms in the White House - since 1948, it's only happened once. 2024 would also be the 4th out of the last 5 times that Democrats have won the presidency. I think by this time fatigue would set in.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2022, 08:22:47 PM »

Hopefully not. She is only in her job because of the colour of her skin and gender not because of her competency
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2022, 10:11:43 AM »

In the primary, yes, though any Democrat would probably start out as an underdog in the GE after two terms of a Democratic president.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2022, 10:19:17 AM »

She'll start as the frontrunner for the nomination, sure. It won't be as easy as Gore 2000 though.

GE is a tossup or Tilt R, depending on the GOP candidate.
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2022, 10:26:28 AM »
« Edited: December 06, 2022, 10:37:02 AM by Mr.Barkari Sellers »

Of course she will be Newsom is at 6% in the polls ,whom rejected DEMINGS and Beasley are NC and FL and WI where blks aren't that representative in the H or S but only as in the state legislature compared to IL, MI and PA
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2022, 10:31:41 AM »

She'll start as the frontrunner for the nomination, sure. It won't be as easy as Gore 2000 though.

GE is a tossup or Tilt R, depending on the GOP candidate.

Lol Harris is tied with all the R candidates it depends on whom she picks as running mate a moderate D like a Tim Ryan or Andy Beshear would do the trick be ause Tim Ryan is likely running for Prez again , NEWSOM is at 6% her only competetion would be Wes Moore because he is Cory Booker that is married Booker had such a hard time because he is deemed as gay, that's why he was forced to drop out last time early he isn't gay but some think he is but it's the same with Tim Scott, Lindsey Graham and Larry Craig, Craig had adopted children
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2022, 10:57:02 AM »

She'll start as the frontrunner for the nomination, sure. It won't be as easy as Gore 2000 though.

GE is a tossup or Tilt R, depending on the GOP candidate.

Lol Harris is tied with all the R candidates it depends on whom she picks as running mate a moderate D like a Tim Ryan or Andy Beshear would do the trick be ause Tim Ryan is likely running for Prez again , NEWSOM is at 6% her only competetion would be Wes Moore because he is Cory Booker that is married Booker had such a hard time because he is deemed as gay, that's why he was forced to drop out last time early he isn't gay but some think he is but it's the same with Tim Scott, Lindsey Graham and Larry Craig, Craig had adopted children

Other than 1988, parties usually struggled to win a 3rd consecutive term in the WH. So 2028 after 2 terms of Biden would be no different. And Harris might not be the strongest candidate anyway. Could even be rated as Lean R here.
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2022, 11:45:54 AM »

Harris was a dud in the 2020 primaries who quickly flamed out, despite some initial hype.

Her only advantage in a hypothetical future campaign would be that she would have name recognition. But if she doesn't do any better on a debate stage etc in a future primary, there is not much reason to think she would not flame out again, provided some decent candidates run against her.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2022, 01:29:55 PM »

I think she starts out as the nominal frontrunner in the primary but I don't think she clears the field and could even lose the nomination to the right candidate.

The GE is probably start out as Tilt R due to party fatigue.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2022, 06:57:01 PM »

Well, she didn't hurt the ticket in 2020 by any means but she's also proven to be a flawed governing partner for the President thus far and I haven't yet been convinced that's gonna change going forward. She also ran a very weak campaign in the 2020 primary. If Biden wins a 2nd term and finishes it, if 2028 is as bad for the Democrats as 2008 was for the GOP, then I can see Harris being put up as a sacrificial lamb candidate ala Dole or Mondale. If things are going well, Biden's favorables are up, and the Democrats actually have a shot at winning, I can see a stronger candidate beating Harris for the nomination.

If Biden wins and resigns midway through, making Harris the incumbent, then she'll run unchallenged for the nomination. The general would be toss up to lean R.
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2022, 02:54:33 AM »

She’d be a pretty clear favourite in the primary though not prohibitively so. Few former or sitting vice presidents lose the nomination.  She def could be toppled but she’ll almost certainly have the establishments backing plus a decent amount of African America support from the get go. I’d place her chances at the nomination at like 60-65 percent.

As for the general that depends a lot on the environment and how popular Joe Biden is doing at the time. Candidate quality also matters a lot and if it’s DeSantis or someone of his ilk than I imagine you’ll prob get another close election that comes down to AZ/GA/NV/NC/PA and NC. I’m not going to bother rating it right now outside of it being between tilt D to tilt R.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2022, 03:04:34 AM »

Most likely, although someone would be more likely to challenge with the "we have to defeat Blumpfv™ to save Our Democracy™" stuff out of the way.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2022, 11:57:32 AM »

I think the baggage she has now will stay with her for the next five years and hurt her chances for the D nomination.
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2022, 01:05:29 PM »

No a fringe right Republican that was elected to the US Senate in 2024 would be elected President instead. It would be the Republican version of Obama.
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