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« on: October 24, 2022, 09:45:38 AM »

I think it will end with Ukraine taking back all pre 2014 Ukrainian territory with the exception of Crimea and with a North/South Korea style DMZ zone on the border .

Also Ukraine will be let into NATO as well
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2022, 07:51:42 PM »

Maybe they keep the land bridge to Crimea but they lose North Luhansk and Kherson.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2022, 09:38:54 PM »

I think it will end with Ukraine taking back all pre 2014 Ukrainian territory with the exception of Crimea and with a North/South Korea style DMZ zone on the border .

Also Ukraine will be let into NATO as well

Honestly, something along these lines. Ukraine obviously still wants Crimea back, but I do think it's going to be hard to extend the international backing they have now into regaining territory from what many view - wrongly in my judgment - as a separate conflict that has already been resolved.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2022, 11:23:00 PM »

I think Ukraine regains all of its pre-2014 territory, but the Russia/Ukraine border in the Donbass becomes like the Korean DMZ with sporadic clashes. Putin will never officially give up the territory he claims to have annexed, and will allow several hundred cannon fodders to be killed per year to maintain the pretense that he hasn't lost.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2022, 08:57:24 AM »

Putin won't live forever whatever happens, though.

A more lasting settlement after he goes is very possible, even if far from guaranteed.
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2022, 05:32:28 AM »

I don't know, but I do know this: If Putin comes away with an acre more territory than he had prior to 2014, he'll see that as a victory, and is likely to invade again in a few years.
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2022, 06:05:01 AM »

Best outcome for Ukraine seems to be the status quo ante. I think regaining Crimea is a pipe dream – that ship has sailed years ago.

However, Russia's annexation of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia is likely to complicate things quite a lot. And this has little to do with Putin; I have difficulties seeing any future Russian leader giving up these claims.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2022, 06:37:47 AM »

Best outcome for Ukraine seems to be the status quo ante. I think regaining Crimea is a pipe dream – that ship has sailed years ago.

However, Russia's annexation of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia is likely to complicate things quite a lot. And this has little to do with Putin; I have difficulties seeing any future Russian leader giving up these claims.

Not saying it would be straightforward, but I actually could.

Crimea matters much, much more to both the Russian people and leadership.
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2022, 10:59:40 AM »

Best outcome for Ukraine seems to be the status quo ante. I think regaining Crimea is a pipe dream – that ship has sailed years ago.

However, Russia's annexation of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia is likely to complicate things quite a lot. And this has little to do with Putin; I have difficulties seeing any future Russian leader giving up these claims.

Not saying it would be straightforward, but I actually could.

Crimea matters much, much more to both the Russian people and leadership.

No disagreement here, Crimea is definitely more important. But according to Russian law, these regions are now part of Russia – and 'returning' them would mean to formally surrender Russian territory. (Whether they are actually under Russian control is of secondary importance.)

Again, I have a hard time seeing a Russian leader who would be willing to do this.
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2022, 11:52:09 AM »

Well that's covered by the "not straightforward" bit I suppose.
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2022, 05:03:45 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2022, 11:33:53 PM »

Best outcome for Ukraine seems to be the status quo ante. I think regaining Crimea is a pipe dream – that ship has sailed years ago.

However, Russia's annexation of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia is likely to complicate things quite a lot. And this has little to do with Putin; I have difficulties seeing any future Russian leader giving up these claims.

Not saying it would be straightforward, but I actually could.

Crimea matters much, much more to both the Russian people and leadership.

No disagreement here, Crimea is definitely more important. But according to Russian law, these regions are now part of Russia – and 'returning' them would mean to formally surrender Russian territory. (Whether they are actually under Russian control is of secondary importance.)

Again, I have a hard time seeing a Russian leader who would be willing to do this.


Well they will have to, because Ukraine and its western backers including the United States will accept nothing less.  No one forced Russia under Putin to illegally annex these territories -but we will force Russia to relinquish them.  
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2022, 11:51:12 PM »



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