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Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]
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« on: May 22, 2022, 09:10:09 AM »

That title popped up in my mind a little time after this post...

Yeah, isn't it hard to go forth together when u have no clue why u are together?

When u are together mostly because u are scared of something and u go to ur buddies rather than when u gather around principles that should orientate the behavior of the members within the so called 'Alliance' and of the so called 'Alliance' itself

All this goes straight at the interrogation on the nature of NATO

What is it? What is it for?

In the past, it was to get protection from the USSR, something which had global politico-economical pretentions on the whole World

Nowadays would be more to get protection 'just' from Putin, and Putin is not interested in the World, but mostly in the Russian Empire and in putting the most possible dust in the US/Western mouths

Then, logical enough that Turkey, which is not really in Putin primary targets can feel free to mess within NATO, to even play with whatever efficiency it could have, to buy some Russian weapons, to do whatever to prove its own Turkophone/Islamist Empire itself, and when u see what Turkey now does in Africa, they really try hard to extend

All this (well, sorry, but again) would go straight toward the 'Westernization' of NATO, we were not that far already but still it deepens and almost fully acknowledges it, and thus would also fully follow the current cultural global and individual trends about the 'Tribalization' of the World

...and i found it so fitting ^^

If ever some other people have some time to spoil over something like this, otherwise no need to waste some to say u dont care, i would just try to extend this a bit since i personally think all whats going really gives a bigger light to those processes

In the sense that it appeared a bit more clear to me that this 'Tribalization' of the World, which would nowadays lead people to gather around their 'nature', that is ethnics, languages, traditions, original religions, sexualities/genders within societies, rather than around some principles, values, objectives, strategies, even common interests

This could be more obvious at 1st within societies, but i think it's now starting to glow more and more between societies themselves

As i tried to point out several times, like in the quoted post here, that NATO case, and whats going on with Russia would really tend to show/accelerate it

Recently enough a lot of people bashed Macron back because when he had 1st been elected 5 years ago he was saying that NATO was in 'cerebral death', and now all people fall on him saying how wrong he was given all whats going on

While im not at all a Macron groopie, no, he was fully right!

While in the past it could have had for mission to defend countries against 'USSR points of views on the World', NATO is now just empty of any ideas, principles, values, objectives, and even common interest

Then, whats left to gather around?

We are same tribe! We are Westerners!

And there is a bad guy from the neighborhood tribe who doesnt like Westerners, and that would like to tackle the big boy of theirs, the US, and tries to team up with other tribes in the World to achieve its own interests, and that mostly out of revenge on the other tribe and of a member of his

So, yeah, so far i used the word tribe, but u can see that u can very easily slip from 'tribe' to 'gang', since all of this easily becomes a gang logic

We are now closer and closer from the title of this thread

In the original story u have a love story between some members of different gangs, hey in this case Ukraine makes such a pretty heroine, torn between its Slavic origins and its love for the Western life, what the country geographically and culturally is in its different shades from west to east is almost a 'school case' of it

So far, the lover, the West, didn't have the best manners and easily let the girl in danger, it seems that from the Western side, ethnicity and fear of the other gang was stronger than love, the heroine needed to be badly hurt and to show that her love was very big and above her origins for the so called Western 'hero' to come help her, but still not to the cost of really challenging the neighboring gang yet

If we go a bit above the story, and thats where it gets better to me (and if ure bored or dont see the point of all of this, the 'TL, DR' policy is very simple to apply without even having to post it), we are also back at the analysis

West Side Story is an American story, even from an epoch when the US were building and spreading their influence around the World, notably against that other form of globalization 'proposed' by the USSR, and we know which form of globalization won so far

We know it rather economically, but it kind of won at all levels! And this victory is what's causing its fall!

Yeah, a model of society like the US, where people gather by their original communities, ethnics, languages, religions, and more recently and to a lesser extent but still, sexualities and genders, a very diverse nation mostly gathering under the 'Dollar' and 'God', thats what this world became!

And it apparently reached a point where the cultural challenges, the grudges, the revenges between tribes/gangs, their cultures and gods is slowly taking more importance than economy itself, or can be used as justifications to challenge the current economical order, the situation with Russia, China, all over Africa, amongst others, would show it so well

We cant unite under 'Dollar' anymore and there is a 'Gods' competition, too many grudges held, then tribes go to fight each other, or also gangs challenge each other territories and gains

And, a lot of people in the World have been, i think, fed up with the dominating Western gang and could be ready to hear/follow anything to justify its dismise, especially, if, well, the struggle to have ur own bread is here, again, and that u see that, again, this is about something where the Westerners are messing

All the troll job Russia is doing between the West and the rest of the World about it shouldnt be underestimated...at all, and on the same page the kind of interview that Lula gave to Time already makes History to me

Ah, and, thats the most amusing part to me, the guy kinda mostly in charge of the legacy of the USSR, the leader of Russia, who goes all about ethnics and religion makes of himself such an American kid!

Voilą ^^

Different kinds of perspectives and steps can be envisioned for the future, but, just feel free to discuss whatever u wish about all this


Euh, i havent posted/scrolled here since at least this forum had an other name, then not totally aware of current posting policies, feel free to move it if necessary
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2022, 05:45:41 AM »

What?
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2022, 05:48:31 AM »

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I think I understand you here.
The title did catch my attention.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2022, 08:09:32 AM »
« Edited: May 23, 2022, 09:32:45 AM by Torie »

Nice stream of consciousness essay. Things can seem like a muddle out there, because they often are. That said, some things are simple - like dehumanizing and brutalizing people in pursuit of what is advertised as a grand abstraction, is wrong.
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Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2022, 09:38:09 AM »


In-laws make a stay here during a while, so i have more time on my hands than usual, especially since they take care of the kid (maybe a bit 'too much' sometimes in a way, but hey, when u live on an other side of the globe than theirs it's hard to really blame...🙂)

Yeah, that's the draft, and i think there could really be something to dig around this, thanks for people who would spoil a bit of their time on this, to read or comment in whatever way, as long as this to discuss this itself, many implications and developments can be added, maybe with some more time, dunno...

Like, for instance, just like what this charming Aussie guy reminded me about in the Aussie thread after that nice pinch from Jean Yves Le Drian...

AUKUS!

One more example of where the ethnic/language factor becomes a standard for some societies to gather themselves

There u have the Anglophone societies gathering around...what?...besides the fact to be, well, Anglophone societies, maybe the acronyme WASP societies could even be the most fitting here, because, amusing to notice that the other country that could have been quite a fit in there at many levels, but is not, is one with a bloody good proportion of Catholics and French language! I name...Those Bloody Canadians!

U can eventually talk about the strategic advantage over the Pacific with Australia for the US and a kind of American protection for Aussies but there are many states in the Pacific and some still more important than Australia strategically, and open to the US, but, nowadays, mostly, u go with those u look/feel the same apparently, whatever the importance of some other criteria

To the point that, and back to Le Drian with this, u even do all to expel some guys that are already very present in the Pacific, with the 2nd biggest sea territory in the World, that had started some significant strategical cooperation already and who are not thaaat opposed to the US (supposed to even be the oldest allies...) and who are also some bloody Westerners, i name...THE BLOODY FRENCH!!

U actually screwed the possibility of a wider and strengthened military cooperation in the Pacific apparently mostly in order to be in a little Anglo World, i guess

AUKUS still makes less sense strategically when u consider UK in it

UK became strategically important for...what!

Even in Europe most of the NATO is on the Continent

So, well, yeah, that could come as one more declination of it, besides having the Westerners gathering around the fact to be Westerners, even amongst Westerners u have the AUKUSies, that would gather around something like 'WASPism'

I sometimes still kind of have some hope that the European nations, after all what they lived, having already pushed so much further than far the notions of nationalisms, ethnicities, religious and ideological craziness, could, also after being a bit shaken by all the cultural insanities the World is crossings nowadays, find some new Lights of developments that genuinely go beyond all this

If ever the shakings in the World dont became too strong for those nations which demographically arent that much vigorous lately either, there could really be some inovative cool stuffs at all levels to build here...we'll see ^^

And, to be even a bit more geographically specific, if those schemes actually occurs, i really wonder where which part of the British Isles would fall in the eventual confirmation of such divides

Waiting for it we still have to deal with all the gang tribal system going on in the World nowadays, because, yeah, the expansionist political model also already became this one lately, and not only amongst growing powers like China or big messing power like Russia, but in this case as well, following the scheme i proposed originally, within democratic societies as well, and maybe still more particularly within the one showing as 'The Arsenal of Democracy'

Wake up Europe!!
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2022, 11:06:17 PM »

So who is Officer Krupke? George Soros?
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2022, 04:53:45 AM »

So who is Officer Krupke? George Soros?

Who has just warned that WW3 might have started, reportedly.
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2022, 05:23:13 AM »

So who is Officer Krupke? George Soros?

Who has just warned that WW3 might have started, reportedly.
Anita predicted it.
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2022, 05:48:46 AM »

Sorry, who?
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