How would the GOP do in Scandanavia?

[thebeloitmoderate]

I suspect they may do good in the more homogenous rural portions of those countries except Denmark and Iceland

[SnowLabrador]

They would do even worse in Scandinavia than in Canada. Is this a troll question?

[buritobr]

The social democrat government of Denmark is not friendly to immigration, like Trump.
But maybe there is no need to vote for the GOP because there is no need to build a wall in the border of Germany and make the Germans pay. The immigration doesn't come from Germany.

[S019]

10-15%, at most. We already have a good mark for how a GOP style party could do with the several Nordic far right parties, the GOP for obvious reasons, among them being their healthcare stances would poll worse than basically all of these parties. I'd honestly say closer to 10% than 15%, and they'd obviously be cordon-sanitaired even more than the far right parties used to be.

[YPestis25]

The social democrat government of Denmark is not friendly to immigration, like Trump.
But maybe there is no need to vote for the GOP because there is no need to build a wall in the border of Germany and make the Germans pay. The immigration doesn't come from Germany.

Third Schleswig War, but this time over the Danish trying to build a border wall

[ingemann]

With the existing GOP platform likely around 1-2% in Denmark, if they adapted their platform and got rid of their more American issues, I would think they could get 5-10% under a charismatic leader. Of course it should be said that GOP (and the Democrats)would also do a lot worse in USA under the Danish or other Scandinavian election system. If we imagine it was GOP versus the Democrats in Denmark with a American election system, I would say the Republicans would have a good chance of winning. The problem with these question is that the two American parties would have massive problems in the more brutal PR election systems, which are all about the survival of the fittest parties. They can only thrive in elections systems which protect them from competition.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Any party who does not support publicly funded universal healthcare would struggle to reach 1% in any Nordic country.

[CumbrianLefty]

I mean, "not very well" is the overwhelmingly obvious answer.

[Samof94]

Any party who does not support publicly funded universal healthcare would struggle to reach 1% in any Nordic country.

That’s worse than the French monarchists.

[jaymichaud]

As well as SD/FrP/Peru S/DPP do.

[Lief 🗽]

Pretty badly. Too far right on welfare policy, but also too far left on immigration for Scandinavia.

[ingemann]

As well as SD/FrP/Peru S/DPP do.

Not at all, they’re quite different parties from GOP with a radical different platform adapted to the countries they exist in. The GOP platform is pretty alien to the Scandinavian countries and their style wouldn’t go over well either.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Funny thing is Trump is actually a much better fit for the Scandinavian right than any other recent Republican president or candidate. He campaigned on a sort of welfare chauvinism and if you translate his foreign and trade policy to Euroscepticism he'd fit very well. And if anything he is to their left on immigration. Also worth throwing out that the Republicans are to the left of the Scandinavian left wing parties in regards to marijuana.

[Samof94]

Pretty badly. Too far right on welfare policy, but also too far left on immigration for Scandinavia.

Their rhetoric might have issues too. Also, too religious.

[parochial boy]

Funny thing is Trump is actually a much better fit for the Scandinavian right than any other recent Republican president or candidate. He campaigned on a sort of welfare chauvinism and if you translate his foreign and trade policy to Euroscepticism he'd fit very well. And if anything he is to their left on immigration. Also worth throwing out that the Republicans are to the left of the Scandinavian left wing parties in regards to marijuana.

"Trump is a good fit for Scandanivia" is a "Bernie Sanders would be right wing in Europe" style take.

Never mind that the US would need to take in 7 million refugees to match Sweden on a per capita level; or basing the approximation on the really quite marginal issue that is cannabis. You might want to think about tax levels (what did Trump do here?); the welfare state; attitudes to LGBT rights, worker rights (eg employee board representation), gender equality (what goes on in Sweden would horrify all of the "anti-woke" left wingers on here), environmental policy, public services and on and on and on.

I know you have this thing about wanting to believe the US is more left wing than Europe, but if you have to cherry pick one or two issues where this might be the case, all the while ignoring a whole host of other ones, it's because it's not the case. At least, very definitely not the case with Scandinavia.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Funny thing is Trump is actually a much better fit for the Scandinavian right than any other recent Republican president or candidate. He campaigned on a sort of welfare chauvinism and if you translate his foreign and trade policy to Euroscepticism he'd fit very well. And if anything he is to their left on immigration. Also worth throwing out that the Republicans are to the left of the Scandinavian left wing parties in regards to marijuana.

"Trump is a good fit for Scandanivia" is a "Bernie Sanders would be right wing in Europe" style take.

Never mind that the US would need to take in 7 million refugees to match Sweden on a per capita level; or basing the approximation on the really quite marginal issue that is cannabis. You might want to think about tax levels (what did Trump do here?); the welfare state; attitudes to LGBT rights, worker rights (eg employee board representation), gender equality (what goes on in Sweden would horrify all of the "anti-woke" left wingers on here), environmental policy, public services and on and on and on.

I know you have this thing about wanting to believe the US is more left wing than Europe, but if you have to cherry pick one or two issues where this might be the case, all the while ignoring a whole host of other ones, it's because it's not the case. At least, very definitely not the case with Scandinavia.

I didn't say he was a good fit for Scandinavia. Just the Scandinavian right. The Progress Party and Sweden Democrats sure aren't happy with the refugee numbers.

[King of Kensington]

Yeah, Trumpism represents a sort of a "Europeanization" of the American right.  Of course he had to deliver to the religious right because they represent a huge proportion of the GOP base, but his 2016 primary and presidential campaign was less "neoliberal" and more nativist compared to other Republicans.  

Conservative opposition to Trump came in two varieties:  too intolerant/racist and "not a real conservative."

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Guns. Healthcare. Religion. Economically too much to the right given euro-far right parties tend to be more populist on economical issues. Do I need to say more

They'd be too extreme for a lot of well-informed conservative types, but they'd also suffer from the immense negative coverage they already had in Europe over the last years, scaring away the non-informed voter that tends to vote far-right, but also approves of the welfare state (esp. to them and not for refugees or immigrants).

The GOP simply would not be able to clear the electoral threshold and would fade into obscurity.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Yeah, Trumpism represents a sort of a "Europeanization" of the American right.  Of course he had to deliver to the religious right because they represent a huge proportion of the GOP base, but his 2016 primary and presidential campaign was less "neoliberal" and more nativist compared to other Republicans.  

Yes i'd agree, i deleted a post of me, so you probably replied to me. But this is basically what i'm telling that the Trumpist brand would do better than the neocon / religious right brand of the American right. But because Trump himself has to appeal or campaign in the USA, it's still different from the Euro far-right parties. Obviously the style would change as he runs in a different country and appeals to different voters.

Trump would be a better fit than most Republicans, but the thead is about the GOP and imo the GOP as a whole would ridicilously do bad and likely not clear electoral threshold.

The GOP isn't just not a good fit for Europe, it is even a horrible fit for the European right and far-right.

[Flyersfan232]

Funny thing is Trump is actually a much better fit for the Scandinavian right than any other recent Republican president or candidate. He campaigned on a sort of welfare chauvinism and if you translate his foreign and trade policy to Euroscepticism he'd fit very well. And if anything he is to their left on immigration. Also worth throwing out that the Republicans are to the left of the Scandinavian left wing parties in regards to marijuana.

"Trump is a good fit for Scandanivia" is a "Bernie Sanders would be right wing in Europe" style take.

Never mind that the US would need to take in 7 million refugees to match Sweden on a per capita level; or basing the approximation on the really quite marginal issue that is cannabis. You might want to think about tax levels (what did Trump do here?); the welfare state; attitudes to LGBT rights, worker rights (eg employee board representation), gender equality (what goes on in Sweden would horrify all of the "anti-woke" left wingers on here), environmental policy, public services and on and on and on.

I know you have this thing about wanting to believe the US is more left wing than Europe, but if you have to cherry pick one or two issues where this might be the case, all the while ignoring a whole host of other ones, it's because it's not the case. At least, very definitely not the case with Scandinavia.

I didn't say he was a good fit for Scandinavia. Just the Scandinavian right. The Progress Party and Sweden Democrats sure aren't happy with the refugee numbers.

progress party and sweden dems differ on fiscal policy

[ingemann]

Funny thing is Trump is actually a much better fit for the Scandinavian right than any other recent Republican president or candidate. He campaigned on a sort of welfare chauvinism and if you translate his foreign and trade policy to Euroscepticism he'd fit very well. And if anything he is to their left on immigration. Also worth throwing out that the Republicans are to the left of the Scandinavian left wing parties in regards to marijuana.

"Trump is a good fit for Scandanivia" is a "Bernie Sanders would be right wing in Europe" style take.

Never mind that the US would need to take in 7 million refugees to match Sweden on a per capita level; or basing the approximation on the really quite marginal issue that is cannabis. You might want to think about tax levels (what did Trump do here?); the welfare state; attitudes to LGBT rights, worker rights (eg employee board representation), gender equality (what goes on in Sweden would horrify all of the "anti-woke" left wingers on here), environmental policy, public services and on and on and on.

I know you have this thing about wanting to believe the US is more left wing than Europe, but if you have to cherry pick one or two issues where this might be the case, all the while ignoring a whole host of other ones, it's because it's not the case. At least, very definitely not the case with Scandinavia.

BRTD is correct, the de-ideologized right wing populism of Trump would do better in Scandinavia than the very unique ideology a generic Republican would bring with him, mostly because it would be more successful everywhere. Of course Trump would even in a perfect  election only get around 10-15% of the vote, but it would be far better than the generic Republican who would have a hard time breaking 1%.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Funny thing is Trump is actually a much better fit for the Scandinavian right than any other recent Republican president or candidate. He campaigned on a sort of welfare chauvinism and if you translate his foreign and trade policy to Euroscepticism he'd fit very well. And if anything he is to their left on immigration. Also worth throwing out that the Republicans are to the left of the Scandinavian left wing parties in regards to marijuana.

"Trump is a good fit for Scandanivia" is a "Bernie Sanders would be right wing in Europe" style take.

Never mind that the US would need to take in 7 million refugees to match Sweden on a per capita level; or basing the approximation on the really quite marginal issue that is cannabis. You might want to think about tax levels (what did Trump do here?); the welfare state; attitudes to LGBT rights, worker rights (eg employee board representation), gender equality (what goes on in Sweden would horrify all of the "anti-woke" left wingers on here), environmental policy, public services and on and on and on.

I know you have this thing about wanting to believe the US is more left wing than Europe, but if you have to cherry pick one or two issues where this might be the case, all the while ignoring a whole host of other ones, it's because it's not the case. At least, very definitely not the case with Scandinavia.

I didn't say he was a good fit for Scandinavia. Just the Scandinavian right. The Progress Party and Sweden Democrats sure aren't happy with the refugee numbers.

progress party and sweden dems differ on fiscal policy

Yeah but I don't think Trump particularly cares about fiscal policy at all.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

As well as SD/FrP/Peru S/DPP do.

Not at all, they’re quite different parties from GOP with a radical different platform adapted to the countries they exist in. The GOP platform is pretty alien to the Scandinavian countries and their style wouldn’t go over well either.

Well yeah but that's why directly comparing parties from different countries is always a sort of apples to oranges, obviously the platforms will involve things that are completely irrelevant in the other country or ignore things that are quite important. It's why for example asking "How would Northern Ireland parties do in the US?" is kind of meaningless because the main issue there is completely irrelevant outside of Northern Ireland. However in this case you can draw some rough parallels, for example while Brexit isn't an issue outside of the UK it's not too much of a stretch to assume that Trump would be heavily for it if he were a British politician, and also while relations with Mexico are obviously not a big issue in Scandinavia you can also take Trump's positions on that to understand how he would address similar immigration and trade issues in a Scandinavian context. So as you noted in the above post if you strip down the specifics and take the general ideological outlook of "Trumpism" and then try to place it in other countries molded a bit to the context of them, you actually can see it doing a lot better than a European version of traditional American conservatism. I would actually argue that Trump basically just exported European style right-wing populism to the US rather than create something new (although with his own personal spin on it due to his extreme ego and narcissism obviously, but similarly egotistical and narcssistic politicians are hardly rare in Europe.)