PA: Mason-Dixon: Casey (D) leads Santorum (R) by double-digits

[adam]

Is there anyone who still believes that Santorum will be making a huge comeback? I would really question their sanity at this point. The truth is, Santorum has run a hell of a campaign...but he has been a failure as a senator and that's why he is losing. Big smiles and expensive TV ads rarely overcome the power of the voters memory.

They approved of the "failure" just under two years ago. How can that be?

By the way, I still believe he will win.

If he were running two years ago, that would actually be valuable information. However it isn't, Santorum is running here and now...and where is Santorum right now? 57% disapproval.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=b99b1a05-e035-4238-93ff-6322599a4d2d

Then again, Santorum does have the momentum right? I mean, all of the reliable polls are on his side right?
http://www.electoral-vote.com:2006/evp2006/Sen_graphs/pennsylvania.html
Whoops, guess not.

[Keystone Phil]

If he were running two years ago, that would actually be valuable information. However it isn't, Santorum is running here and now...and where is Santorum right now? 57% disapproval.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=b99b1a05-e035-4238-93ff-6322599a4d2d

That doesn't prove to me that he is seen as an overall failure of a Senator.

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Ok, you're right. Let's be as arrogant as possible, folks. You've won. Santorum has no momentum. Santorum has nothing at this point. Hooray for everyone that hates him. I've tried to discuss this race is a civil way but it seems that nobody can do that. Everything here is angry and sarcastic. I hope everyone has enjoyed it. You win.

[adam]

Ok, you're right. Let's be as arrogant as possible, folks. You've won. Santorum has no momentum. Santorum has nothing at this point. Hooray for everyone that hates him. I've tried to discuss this race is a civil way but it seems that nobody can do that. Everything here is angry and sarcastic. I hope everyone has enjoyed it. You win.

Ok, I am being a bit of an ass. For that, I am sorry. But my point still stands.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

When AuH2O of all people admits Santorum is most likely done, that's all you  need to know.

[Gabu]

Come on, guys, ease up a little.  Sure Phil might have been a little overconfident in this race (which is not surprising, given that Santorum is his political hero), but some of these posts are getting downright vicious.

[Smash255]

If he were running two years ago, that would actually be valuable information. However it isn't, Santorum is running here and now...and where is Santorum right now? 57% disapproval.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=b99b1a05-e035-4238-93ff-6322599a4d2d

That doesn't prove to me that he is seen as an overall failure of a Senator.

You don't get those kind of numbers unless the people you represent think you are a failure....

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I would agree that some of the comments directed towards you were a bit over the top and unfair to an extent.  However, when someone has made some of the asinine comments Santorum has made, just blatant & complete fallacies in some cases (we found the wmd's) and has such a horrific voting record (in our view) which is completley out of touch from the state he represents. (unless you only include the T) As a result many of us  on the left and many  in the middle as well feel that Santorum is a major representitive of what is wrong with this country and what we want to change so many of us are going to take some enjoyment of Santorum going down, and going down in flames, with much of the state thinking he is a sack of crap.  Also the confidence you have had him in all this time, that he was liked and would win is also part of the equation here.  If you were not as strong in your beliefs as you have been, you wouldn't be getting as much flack as your getting.

With that being said, while you and I have had strong disagreements and harsh things to say about one another in the past, I do think some of he personal attacks being directed toward you right now is a bit over the top and uncalled for.  Attacking your views on Santorum, your confidence, and what you have said about the race in the past fine, but it could do without the personal attacks we have been seeing by some.

[Keystone Phil]

Well he still has your homosexual crush Phil.  Maybe you and him can go play with corpses together.

Come on, guys, ease up a little.  Sure Phil might have been a little overconfident in this race (which is not surprising, given that Santorum is his political hero), but some of these posts are getting downright vicious.

Totally uncalled for and not a first. I have reported him and he might be getting a ban, too.


As for you, Smash, the state has liked him and I was never always confident in him winning. Again, check the polls and my posts. And why is showing confidence in him winning grounds for me getting your sh**t? I was never as arrogant and as nasty as you and others. Attacking me the way you guys have because of my views on this race when I have more insight in PA than you do is not fair. I am tired of it and ask that you lay off.

[Smash255]

Well he still has your homosexual crush Phil.  Maybe you and him can go play with corpses together.

Come on, guys, ease up a little.  Sure Phil might have been a little overconfident in this race (which is not surprising, given that Santorum is his political hero), but some of these posts are getting downright vicious.

Totally uncalled for and not a first. I have reported him and he might be getting a ban, too.


As for you, Smash, the state has liked him and I was never always confident in him winning. Again, check the polls and my posts. And why is showing confidence in him winning grounds for me getting your sh**t? I was never as arrogant and as nasty as you and others. Attacking me the way you guys have because of my views on this race when I have more insight in PA than you do is not fair. I am tired of it and ask that you lay off.

yes, he was liked, but people didn't realize how conservative he actually was till recentley.  You can argue that he made some of those comments all you want, but keep in mind perception and reality aren't always the same thing.  While he has been quie conservative for some time (though I would say he has gotten more so) he wasn't preceived as being as far to the right till recentley, even after he made some of the comments, they wer looked at as just something stupid, but didn't hurt him till they started looking at everything.  Also Santorum being a very stronng ally of Bush has hurt him big time.  People don't see Bush in the mainstream, and they sure don't see someone who votes with him almost all the time mainstream.  They don't like Bush, so chances are they aren't going to like his strongest supporter.

Regarding PA as a whole, do people in the state itself  have a strong knowledge of it?  yes.  However, that doesn't mean that others are wrong with what they ahve said about the state.  I do have family in the area, my Aunt was born and raised there, and most of her family still lives in the area (mostly iN Delaware County).  Suburban PA, is very much like suburban NYC, especially Long Island (LI has changed more on the local level, but thats about it, and Congress, well changes very well could happen in SEPA).  Delaware County & MontCo are almost carbon copies of Nassau County (where I live) and Bucks County is very much like Suffolk.  The suburban influence statewide also has its similarities.   the shift in suburban Philly has changed PA from a lean GOp to tossup up type of state to a lean Democratic state.  The changes ion Long Island have changed NY from a lean Dem to strong Dem change.  The GOP needs to do well in both subrubs (in the Philly burbs to win, because no one has ever won the state without taking the burbs) and in NY because no republican has ever won or even ben competitive without taking LI & other NYC suburbs.

Regarding myself attacking you, I have attacked your positions, and Santorum quite a bit, but I haven't been one to hurl personal attacks towards you  (unlike some of the others that I was posting about) unless they were thrown my way first.

[Eraserhead]

Come on, guys, ease up a little.  Sure Phil might have been a little overconfident in this race (which is not surprising, given that Santorum is his political hero), but some of these posts are getting downright vicious.

What goes around comes around. The guy attacks anyone on the forum who has anything remotely negative to say about Santorum. It is hard to feel bad for him even though he is just a dumb kid.

[Gabu]

What goes around comes around. The guy attacks anyone on the forum who has anything remotely negative to say about Santorum. It is hard to feel bad for him even though he is just a dumb kid.

Progress posted this:

"Well he still has your homosexual crush Phil.  Maybe you and him can go play with corpses together. "

Phil certainly does ruthlessly defend Santorum, but I don't recall him making personal attacks of that level.

Two wrongs don't make a right, anyway.

[ucscgaldamez]

Stick to issues.

[NHPolitico]

This poll is a McClatchy/MSNBC poll!

[Keystone Phil]

Regarding PA as a whole, do people in the state itself  have a strong knowledge of it?  yes.  However, that doesn't mean that others are wrong with what they ahve said about the state.  I do have family in the area, my Aunt was born and raised there, and most of her family still lives in the area (mostly iN Delaware County).  Suburban PA, is very much like suburban NYC, especially Long Island (LI has changed more on the local level, but thats about it, and Congress, well changes very well could happen in SEPA).  Delaware County & MontCo are almost carbon copies of Nassau County (where I live) and Bucks County is very much like Suffolk.  The suburban influence statewide also has its similarities.   the shift in suburban Philly has changed PA from a lean GOp to tossup up type of state to a lean Democratic state.  The changes ion Long Island have changed NY from a lean Dem to strong Dem change.  The GOP needs to do well in both subrubs (in the Philly burbs to win, because no one has ever won the state without taking the burbs) and in NY because no republican has ever won or even ben competitive without taking LI & other NYC suburbs.

That's great that you know the make up of SE PA but beyond that, you are clueless and a cheap partisan hack. That's how I can say that I know more than you in PA.

What goes around comes around. The guy attacks anyone on the forum who has anything remotely negative to say about Santorum. It is hard to feel bad for him even though he is just a dumb kid.

Uh, no. I have defended Santorum, not viciously attacked those that disagree with him. As for being "just a dumb kid," I know a great deal about politics and whether people agree or not with my political views, they will admit that I am not just some hack like yourself.

This poll is a McClatchy/MSNBC poll!

They work with Mason-Dixon.

[Eraserhead]

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Thanks for proving my point. : ) Also try learning some insults beyond "hack". You say it about 8 times in every post to all of the people on here who supposedly know that you aren't one.

[Gustaf]

Come on, guys, ease up a little.  Sure Phil might have been a little overconfident in this race (which is not surprising, given that Santorum is his political hero), but some of these posts are getting downright vicious.

What goes around comes around. The guy attacks anyone on the forum who has anything remotely negative to say about Santorum. It is hard to feel bad for him even though he is just a dumb kid.

Phil gets mad a little too easily but he's definitely not a hack and there is no ground for calling him a dumb kid. You haven't really shown much smartness yourself, anyway. Those who think political discussion is about attacking those that support other candidates should create such a forum. This isn't the place for it.

[Eraserhead]

Come on, guys, ease up a little.  Sure Phil might have been a little overconfident in this race (which is not surprising, given that Santorum is his political hero), but some of these posts are getting downright vicious.

What goes around comes around. The guy attacks anyone on the forum who has anything remotely negative to say about Santorum. It is hard to feel bad for him even though he is just a dumb kid.

 Those who think political discussion is about attacking those that support other candidates should create such a forum. This isn't the place for it.

I guess Phil should get on it then since he attacks half of the people on here rabidly.

[Keystone Phil]

I guess Phil should get on it then since he attacks half of the people on here rabidly.

No, I don't. You just can't see the difference in pointing out disagreements and attacking. I can have civil discussions with anyone here. I just can't put up with hacks like yourself and no, I will not find a better insult when that term fits perfectly for you and several others.

[Smash255]

Regarding PA as a whole, do people in the state itself  have a strong knowledge of it?  yes.  However, that doesn't mean that others are wrong with what they ahve said about the state.  I do have family in the area, my Aunt was born and raised there, and most of her family still lives in the area (mostly iN Delaware County).  Suburban PA, is very much like suburban NYC, especially Long Island (LI has changed more on the local level, but thats about it, and Congress, well changes very well could happen in SEPA).  Delaware County & MontCo are almost carbon copies of Nassau County (where I live) and Bucks County is very much like Suffolk.  The suburban influence statewide also has its similarities.   the shift in suburban Philly has changed PA from a lean GOp to tossup up type of state to a lean Democratic state.  The changes ion Long Island have changed NY from a lean Dem to strong Dem change.  The GOP needs to do well in both subrubs (in the Philly burbs to win, because no one has ever won the state without taking the burbs) and in NY because no republican has ever won or even ben competitive without taking LI & other NYC suburbs.

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I never tried to say i am an expert at everything PA or anything like that, however you fail to see the importance of how what happens iin suburban Philly and the impact of what happens there and what happens on the state level.  You also fail to grasp that someone with a net approval WELL into the negative double digits is not liked and not thought of very well.  And you wonder why people are really giving you a hard time, calling someone who disagrees with you a hack is part of the reason.   Hell, i was trying to partially defend you here,  by telling the others to keep away from the personal attacks, and then you come back at me with the hack stuff.  Just because I point these things out to you doesn't make me a partisan hack.  Its called reality Phil.

[Eraserhead]

I guess Phil should get on it then since he attacks half of the people on here rabidly.

No, I don't. You just can't see the difference in pointing out disagreements and attacking. I can have civil discussions with anyone here. I just can't put up with hacks like yourself and no, I will not find a better insult when that term fits perfectly for you and several others.

You are a complete joke. You know you define the term "hack". I'd also like you to point out how and where I have displayed myself to be a hack. I'm guessing (like most of the people on here) I'm automatically one for disagreeing with you.

[Gustaf]

Come on, guys, ease up a little.  Sure Phil might have been a little overconfident in this race (which is not surprising, given that Santorum is his political hero), but some of these posts are getting downright vicious.

What goes around comes around. The guy attacks anyone on the forum who has anything remotely negative to say about Santorum. It is hard to feel bad for him even though he is just a dumb kid.

 Those who think political discussion is about attacking those that support other candidates should create such a forum. This isn't the place for it.

I guess Phil should get on it then since he attacks half of the people on here rabidly.

No he doesn't. He is much nicer than you are, for instance. Admittedly, he is not the nicest or most objective person on the forum but those of you now attacking him are much worse.

[Eraserhead]

Come on, guys, ease up a little.  Sure Phil might have been a little overconfident in this race (which is not surprising, given that Santorum is his political hero), but some of these posts are getting downright vicious.

What goes around comes around. The guy attacks anyone on the forum who has anything remotely negative to say about Santorum. It is hard to feel bad for him even though he is just a dumb kid.

 Those who think political discussion is about attacking those that support other candidates should create such a forum. This isn't the place for it.

I guess Phil should get on it then since he attacks half of the people on here rabidly.

No he doesn't. He is much nicer than you are, for instance. Admittedly, he is not the nicest or most objective person on the forum but those of you now attacking him are much worse.

Are you his personal lap dog or something? I'm glad you are so skilled in measuring how nice someone is compared to someone else.

[Gustaf]

Come on, guys, ease up a little.  Sure Phil might have been a little overconfident in this race (which is not surprising, given that Santorum is his political hero), but some of these posts are getting downright vicious.

What goes around comes around. The guy attacks anyone on the forum who has anything remotely negative to say about Santorum. It is hard to feel bad for him even though he is just a dumb kid.

 Those who think political discussion is about attacking those that support other candidates should create such a forum. This isn't the place for it.

I guess Phil should get on it then since he attacks half of the people on here rabidly.

No he doesn't. He is much nicer than you are, for instance. Admittedly, he is not the nicest or most objective person on the forum but those of you now attacking him are much worse.

Are you his personal lap dog or something? I'm glad you are so skilled in measuring how nice someone is compared to someone else.

The fact that you think saying someone is nice makes one a "lap dog" of that person says quite a bit about your view on niceness...