President of Haiti assassinated

[Blue3]

I've seen a lot of reports also denouncing him as someone clinging to power.

[Continential]

It's a very sad thing....Haiti is always in crisis.

Very sad.

Some think that France, a former colonizer should help Haiti during this time....

Look at France "help" in Africa and you'll see Haiti is better off without their "help".

If anything, the French should give the money stolen back to the Haitians.

[PSOL]

Jacobin Magazine’s interview with Haiti Liberte editor generally gave a brief overview of the situation. Given the planning and smooth execution of the president, it is being suspected that a cabal of Haiti’s top families ordered the hit, hoping to get rid of a sore that wouldn’t leave or be able to protect them from the Shantytown revolutionary going by “Barbecue”.

Hopefully the Biden administration doesn’t buy into the bait and invades Haiti, only to put in another corrupt creature serving multinationals and not the peasants and shantytown dwellers.

[Suburbia]

It's a very sad thing....Haiti is always in crisis.

Very sad.

Some think that France, a former colonizer should help Haiti during this time....

Look at France "help" in Africa and you'll see Haiti is better off without their "help".

If anything, the French should give the money stolen back to the Haitians.

Do you think France would do that however?

[lfromnj]

2 American citizens arrested
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/haiti-james-solanges-joseph-vincent-assassination-suspects-us-citizens-arrested/
FREE THE CIA AGENTS

[PSOL]

2 American citizens arrested
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/haiti-james-solanges-joseph-vincent-assassination-suspects-us-citizens-arrested/
FREE THE CIA AGENTS

Well CIA involvement is now scratched down as a possibility.

[(no subject)]

Why are black and brown bad leaders never allowed to own their own sh**tty acts instead of white leftists demanding that blame always be placed on the Evol USA or Europe?

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/1413650449974976514

[Oryxslayer]

https://twitter.com/pvillegas_tlSUR/status/1413290528955846659?s=20

Almost 30 captured suspects, 2 are Hatians with US citizenship, 26 are Colombians. Colombian Govt confirms that they are retired military men now working as mercenaries.

[Red Velvet]

Why are black and brown bad leaders never allowed to own their own sh**tty acts instead of white leftists demanding that blame always be placed on the Evol USA or Europe?

US isn’t evil, it’s just too right-wing, including the “left” party. Naturally left-wing people will have more criticism of policies because of common ideological differences.

And France isn’t evil but it still is a country that directly benefited from exploration of colonization and slavery, like others in Europe. And in Haiti’s specific case, it was much sh**ttier than average for a reason. The formation of all countries that used to be colonies is rooted in white supremacy because of that. It shaped the world we live in.

Or do you think it’s just a mere coincidence that the poorest the country is, it tends to be more black? We’re all taught to believe in meritocracy in order to accept the hierarchical system that shapes our communities in a minor scale and the whole world in a larger one. But that narrative is just a lie to comfort people who are more privileged for them to believe they earned their position over others who didn’t.

But reality is that it’s more about “luck” of being created under circumstances that were formed and influenced by events and people from centuries ago. And that had to do with a group of people inventing the lie that other groups of people were “inferior” in order for them to gain a moral justification to explore their labor through force.

If we go by this thinking that places like Haiti have these problems simply because “their leaders are sh**tty”, you completely disregard everything that led to that. If only reason for problems is the efficiency of leaders, is it just a coincidence that black countries are less developed or is this some implication that black people are naturally corrupt/incompetent? See how these excuses we give to not think about these problems are rooted in white supremacy old narratives even when we don’t realize it?

That’s why it’s important to put all this into light so we can at least think on how to confront it. History is not just stories on a book, it is something that shaped and determined all our present. Things don’t just end because the history book wrote that something ended in one determined year, there’s a whole ramification of consequences.

Bad local leadership is a valid thing to point out but you won’t stimulate any structural change by giving it focus because it will usually be replaced by another with similar problems. That’s why it’s more interest to search for options that would actually help solve the problem. These countries need infrastructure and the places which exploited it should have the moral interest in helping this being stimulated.

[(no subject)]

sh**tty local leaders will still be sh**tty local leaders even in black and brown ruled countries. Monsters like Idi Amin and Yasser Arafat own everything they did.

[Oryxslayer]

This is essentially the Great Man vs Trends and Currents of history argument - just in reverse, and if you really want to have the argument then it will be unending. There is no correct answer to that debate and the only conclusion is that ignoring one to satisfy the other is a fools errand. History, after all, is unpredictable and random, there is no Marxist (historical theory) preordained path of progress. Haiti got dealt one of the worst hands imaginable by historical forces, the product of plantation-state policies of 17th century colonialism. This certainly makes things hard, but other Caribbean nations (which a good number of are also overwhelmingly afro-Caribbean and all are in the shadow of the US) show that this did not curse the country to perpetual poverty. Individual decisions can always make a difference.

[(no subject)]

Collectivism is sh**t because too much of an event's outcome always depends on an individual's personality, reactions, and behaviour. Also, being oppressed doesn't make you more moral or virtuous just by default.

[Red Velvet]

This is essentially the Great Man vs Trends and Currents of history argument - just in reverse, and if you really want to have the argument then it will be unending. There is no correct answer to that debate and the only conclusion is that ignoring one to satisfy the other is a fools errand. History, after all, is unpredictable and random, there is no Marxist (historical theory) preordained path of progress. Haiti got dealt one of the worst hands imaginable by historical forces, the product of plantation-state policies of 17th century colonialism. This certainly makes things hard, but other Caribbean nations (which a good number of are also overwhelmingly afro-Caribbean and all are in the shadow of the US) show that this did not curse the country to perpetual poverty. Individual decisions can always make a difference.

Did they also have to pay a fortune for like a century in order to be independent like Haiti?

It’s never only one or two things, it’s the combination of everything. In Haiti you can pinpoint International forces (France and later US) + Haitian elites protecting their standing as the main factors imo

That’s why you cannot separate things in order to blame one thing, it’s all related and connected. Putting it all responsibility on Haitian elites basket sounds wrong to me, although they have important share of it.

What Haiti needs is:
- Investment on Education
- Investment on Infrastructure
- Investment on Technology

You do that and the worse symptoms will at least get kinda better in significant way. But all that is counterproductive to the local elites because one of the benefits of being rich in a poorer and very unequal country is being sure you will always maintain your power for generations without the risk of the plebes becoming competition.

That’s why I think it’s weird to expect from 2% of Haiti population in the elites to do anything and pointless to “call them out” in this international context we have here lol. With the international agents it’s more they don’t have interest in doing anything but at least I don’t think these foreign players would be resistant to the idea of a more developed Haiti like local elites would. Pressure comes from all sides and it’s the Haitian people that have the position to execute this type of more domestic internal pressure.

[PSOL]

Fundamentally, nothing will change unless the Haitian people overthrow this terrible government and their awful elites, which they have been doing for the past 200 years only to be stopped by France and now the US. In the constant coups, invasions, and rebellions the only clear blockage is outside interference in Haitian affairs.

Hopefully without another US invasion, the current power vacumn leads to Haiti finally getting their own say in a non-fraudulent, democratic election which they have been deprived of since Aristide got into power in the 90s.

[(no subject)]

PSOL, There’s just too much sh**tty things happening in Hati and other black and brown ruled countries that is wholly local and DOESNT involve the hand of the Big Bad West.

[PSOL]

PSOL, There’s just too much sh**tty things happening in Hati and other black and brown ruled countries that is wholly local and DOESNT involve the hand of the Big Bad West.

Sunrise, it isn’t even deniable that the US worked to destabilize the Aristride government they put in place.

Look, it sucks that every bloody time the Haitian oligarchs cry for saving from the scary shantytown people that the US comes to the rescue, but it is merely the reality of the situation.

There’s several mass organizations and people’s movements prepared and ready to take control and bring about a generally reformist government, and with the millions strong Haitian diaspora willing and able to bring in remittances, such a nation would get far with these reforms. We just gotta let things work themselves out and be buddy-buddy with the new government by offering those investment opportunities once things stabilize.

[CumbrianLefty]

PSOL, There’s just too much sh**tty things happening in Hati and other black and brown ruled countries that is wholly local and DOESNT involve the hand of the Big Bad West.

Sunrise, it isn’t even deniable that the US worked to destabilize the Aristride government they put in place.

Sounds crazy, but that's almost exactly what happened isn't it.

[Oryxslayer]

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1414417316037677057?s=20

Suspect detained.

[Suburbia]

It's a very sad thing....Haiti is always in crisis.

Very sad.

Some think that France, a former colonizer should help Haiti during this time....

Look at France "help" in Africa and you'll see Haiti is better off without their "help".

Has France, the former colonizer, said anything about Haiti's plight?

[Crumpets]

https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1415021209318690820

[PSOL]

https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1415021209318690820

The United States wouldn’t have made such mistakes if it wanted to occupy Haiti. I think this only entrenches the idea that this operation was done at the upper echelons to get the US to invade. However, with Cuba in revolt, the US will not open up two separate operations in the Caribbean.