Why is "cancel culture" seen as liberal?

[Benjamin Frank]

Because there is no group so viciously and consistently looking to “cancel” things than the extreme segment of “SJW” lefties, and that’s pretty obvious to every normal person.

This is probably true.  The problem with the right is with claiming to be OUTRAGED! with 'cancel culture' but then turning around and insisting that Kathy Griffin be 'canceled.'

Not only was she 'cancelled' for a couple years but she also said that she felt unsafe to leave her house at times due to all the death threats.

I don't recall anybody on the right, all those who claim to be against 'cancel culture' speaking up on her behalf.

nobody should have been sending Kathy Griffin (or anyone else) death threats, but I can guarantee Kathy Griffin is more famous today because she was "cancelled" by people who didn't know who the hell she was before she did the thing....the thing that she had every right to do.  It is very unfortunate that she felt unsafe.  As I've said before, we need to investigate and put in prison some of these death threat makers.


but Kathy Griffin canceled herself a decade before she did the Trump thing by not being funny.

She was fired by CNN and had a number of her gigs literally cancelled.  If you are going to argue this ultimately benefit her, it's likely also the case for a number of those on the right who you believe the left cancelled.

It is also the case, as far as I know, that nobody on the right defended.

I agree she was never funny, but that's besides the point.

[DabbingSanta]

Because there is no group so viciously and consistently looking to “cancel” things than the extreme segment of “SJW” lefties, and that’s pretty obvious to every normal person.

This. Right wing cancel culture was unsuccessful.  Big tech companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter are now siding with left wing activists and censoring content they disagree with, and that's what makes this different.  Lots of things were cancelled this year in response to the race riots perpetrated by Black Lives Matter.  Products with black characters like Aunt Jemima, entertainment programs like Live PD, and artists that remotely associated with white conservatism or Trump including Doja Cat, Kanye West, and Lil Wayne.

[Benjamin Frank]

Because there is no group so viciously and consistently looking to “cancel” things than the extreme segment of “SJW” lefties, and that’s pretty obvious to every normal person.

This. Right wing cancel culture was unsuccessful.  Big tech companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter are now siding with left wing activists and censoring content they disagree with, and that's what makes this different.  Lots of things were cancelled this year in response to the race riots perpetrated by Black Lives Matter.  Products with black characters like Aunt Jemima, entertainment programs like Live PD, and artists that remotely associated with white conservatism or Trump including Doja Cat, Kanye West, and Lil Wayne.

I know Doja Cat. She hardly knows anything about Donald Trump or his supporters.

[dead0man]

she was fired by CNN?  What the hell was she doing for CNN?  <looks it up>  Ahh, a CNN (known for it's hard hitting right wing takes) New Years Eve show with noted right winger Anderson Cooper who said about the controversy

For the record, I am appalled by the photo shoot Kathy Griffin took part in. It is clearly disgusting and completely inappropriate.

ahhh, now I see what you mean about being canceled by the right.


We had a (now locked) thread on the subject.  seems to me a lot of different people wearing a lot of different hats was offended by it...my comment in the thread

Everybody is doing their jobs great in today's recreational outrage.  Gold stars for everybody!

I 100% agree with you that she shouldn't have been "canceled" for it, but it was clearly more than right wing outrage that did the trick.

[Benjamin Frank]

she was fired by CNN?  What the hell was she doing for CNN?  <looks it up>  Ahh, a CNN (known for it's hard hitting right wing takes) New Years Eve show with noted right winger Anderson Cooper who said about the controversy

For the record, I am appalled by the photo shoot Kathy Griffin took part in. It is clearly disgusting and completely inappropriate.

ahhh, now I see what you mean about being canceled by the right.


We had a (now locked) thread on the subject.  seems to me a lot of different people wearing a lot of different hats was offended by it...my comment in the thread

Everybody is doing their jobs great in today's recreational outrage.  Gold stars for everybody!

I 100% agree with you that she shouldn't have been "canceled" for it, but it was clearly more than right wing outrage that did the trick.

It was mostly pressure from the right.  As was the follow-up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/kathy-griffin-donald-trump-joke-twitter-insulin-syringe-a9535601.html

In regards to the Kathy Griffin thread here, I read over all five pages and what struck me most was the ignorance of basic facts behind the comments.  Not a single comment in those five pages mentioned:

1.The Trump head was meant as a reference to Trump's comment of 'bleeding out of her...wherever' that he said in a 2016 debate.

2.The photo was not even Kathy Griffin's idea.  I own the book the photo is in and it was the idea of the photographer and there were a number of other controversial photos in the book.  The photographer also received some death threats but nowhere near as many as Griffin received. It's not even by any means certain that Griffin or the photographer were looking to create controversy out of that specific picture.  

Griffin was just the hired hand who liked the concept because it expressed her dislike for Trump and the photographer had a number of other provocative pictures in the book that he may or may not have hoped would become controversial.  The photographer is actually very good and was fairly famous prior to this.  For instance, his twitter page has 83,000 followers.

[DabbingSanta]

Because there is no group so viciously and consistently looking to “cancel” things than the extreme segment of “SJW” lefties, and that’s pretty obvious to every normal person.

This. Right wing cancel culture was unsuccessful.  Big tech companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter are now siding with left wing activists and censoring content they disagree with, and that's what makes this different.  Lots of things were cancelled this year in response to the race riots perpetrated by Black Lives Matter.  Products with black characters like Aunt Jemima, entertainment programs like Live PD, and artists that remotely associated with white conservatism or Trump including Doja Cat, Kanye West, and Lil Wayne.

I know Doja Cat. She hardly knows anything about Donald Trump or his supporters.

Wait... you know her personally? 🤤

[Benjamin Frank]

Because there is no group so viciously and consistently looking to “cancel” things than the extreme segment of “SJW” lefties, and that’s pretty obvious to every normal person.

This. Right wing cancel culture was unsuccessful.  Big tech companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter are now siding with left wing activists and censoring content they disagree with, and that's what makes this different.  Lots of things were cancelled this year in response to the race riots perpetrated by Black Lives Matter.  Products with black characters like Aunt Jemima, entertainment programs like Live PD, and artists that remotely associated with white conservatism or Trump including Doja Cat, Kanye West, and Lil Wayne.

I know Doja Cat. She hardly knows anything about Donald Trump or his supporters.

Wait... you know her personally? 🤤

I've never met her in person, but, yes, I know her personally, though I'd be surprised if she remembers me (though she might remember my face.)

I am a regular in one of those chatrooms that she went to (or the chatroom she went to.)  She hasn't be back to that chat room in a while, but I had a couple brief conversations with her, took part in a couple conversations that she was involved in and listened to her blather on and on in the chat room for a combined total of several hours.  She discussed broad cultural issues a few times but nothing to do with politics or Trump or his supporters.

The owner of the chatroom actually had to start up another chat room because he wanted the increased membership of her being in there initially, but he was overwhelmed when nearly 100 groupies of hers regularly came in.  I had lost interest in her conversations, especially the conversations between her and her groupies, so I went to the second room instead after awhile.  

I then had computer problems so I had to drop out entirely, and by the time I came back, all the stuff about her and the chat rooms had come out.  

For what it's worth, neither the owner of the chatroom nor most of the members are alt-right, and they never were.

The chat room was a merger of two chat rooms, one of which shut down when its owner abandoned it.  These two rooms had been together previously but they split apart over issues of perceived censorship, with this guy starting up a room that had no censorship and that basically a person went to if they wanted to be insulted (similar to the Monty Python sketch.)

When the people from that room went back to this room, the owner decided that he wouldn't continue to enforce the censorship rules as strictly, so a number of trolls came to the site and acted out being racist or sexist...  However, anybody who showed genuine racist or sexist behavior was still banned immediately (linking to pictures, videos, making the Nazi salute...)

When Dojacat came in, she liked to flirt, and some people there trolled her with racist comments which she responded to by flirting with them.  

Just to show how complicated people can be. I'd say there are three alt-right regulars in the room.  One of them is a white South African living in the U.K, but one of the others is his black girlfriend, and the third is a white lesbian living in, I believe, the United States.

[DabbingSanta]

Because there is no group so viciously and consistently looking to “cancel” things than the extreme segment of “SJW” lefties, and that’s pretty obvious to every normal person.

This. Right wing cancel culture was unsuccessful.  Big tech companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter are now siding with left wing activists and censoring content they disagree with, and that's what makes this different.  Lots of things were cancelled this year in response to the race riots perpetrated by Black Lives Matter.  Products with black characters like Aunt Jemima, entertainment programs like Live PD, and artists that remotely associated with white conservatism or Trump including Doja Cat, Kanye West, and Lil Wayne.

I know Doja Cat. She hardly knows anything about Donald Trump or his supporters.

Wait... you know her personally? 🤤

I've never met her in person, but, yes, I know her personally, though I'd be surprised if she remembers me (though she might remember my face.)

I am a regular in one of those chatrooms that she went to (or the chatroom she went to.)  She hasn't be back to that chat room in a while, but I had a couple brief conversations with her, took part in a couple conversations that she was involved in and listened to her blather on and on in the chat room for a combined total of several hours.  She discussed broad cultural issues a few times but nothing to do with politics or Trump or his supporters.

That's an awesome claim to fame. You should do an AMA on Reddit or something 🤣

[Benjamin Frank]

Because there is no group so viciously and consistently looking to “cancel” things than the extreme segment of “SJW” lefties, and that’s pretty obvious to every normal person.

This. Right wing cancel culture was unsuccessful.  Big tech companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter are now siding with left wing activists and censoring content they disagree with, and that's what makes this different.  Lots of things were cancelled this year in response to the race riots perpetrated by Black Lives Matter.  Products with black characters like Aunt Jemima, entertainment programs like Live PD, and artists that remotely associated with white conservatism or Trump including Doja Cat, Kanye West, and Lil Wayne.

I know Doja Cat. She hardly knows anything about Donald Trump or his supporters.

Wait... you know her personally? 🤤

I've never met her in person, but, yes, I know her personally, though I'd be surprised if she remembers me (though she might remember my face.)

I am a regular in one of those chatrooms that she went to (or the chatroom she went to.)  She hasn't be back to that chat room in a while, but I had a couple brief conversations with her, took part in a couple conversations that she was involved in and listened to her blather on and on in the chat room for a combined total of several hours.  She discussed broad cultural issues a few times but nothing to do with politics or Trump or his supporters.

That's an awesome claim to fame. You should do an AMA on Reddit or something 🤣

I just did here.

[beaver2.0]

Because these people are being cancelled for reasons commonly championed by liberals.  The right wing does not have a monopoly on authoritarianism and illiberal tactics.

[Benjamin Frank]

To the extent that it is true that right wingers don't engage in 'cancel culture' as much anymore might be because right wingers don't need to, the sort of people they want 'canceled' are no longer considered to be victims of 'cancel culture.'

First, I'd argue there are 4 different groups traditionally here: libertarian right wingers, authoritarian right wingers, 'live and let live' left wingers and nanny-state left-wingers. These groups have always existed, but the mix of each changes over time.

So, how is throwing a person in jail for using drugs not 'cancel culture'?

These people are literally having their lives 'cancelled.'

To be sure, this isn't speech per se, but why should 'cancel culture' be defined as just involving speech?  When people engage in conduct that is no direct harm to anybody but themselves, and that conduct is made illegal, why shouldn't that also be considered 'cancel culture' if not worse than 'cancel culture'?

At one time, many people, even some libertarian right wingers and 'live and let live' left wingers were for drugs being illegal, but, with marijuana anyway, it's pretty much now just the authoritarian right wingers.  And with their recent votes, they still show that they want marijuana to be illegal.

With marijuana still illegal in many states and federally, they don't have to go and call for marijuana users to be cancelled, they just have to ask that the laws be enforced.

Prostitution cuts across ideological lines in somewhat more complex ways, though right wing 'Christian morality' clearly is large reason, but the illegality of prostitution still 'cancels' many people who have alternative views on sex.  Again, with prostitution being illegal in most states, those who want to cancel prostitutes don't have to call for them to be 'cancelled' they just have to ask that the laws be enforced.

So, what happened in a couple high profile recent cases?  

While ordinary people, drug users and sellers still go to jail regularly, the billionaire drug pushers, the Sackler family, made billions more.  Does anybody believe they'll spend even a day in jail?

The purported reason for the prostitution sting that netted Robert Kraft was to protect the poor prostitutes, who were 'the real victims.'  So, what happened?  Robert Kraft and the other wealthy and/or powerful people got off on a technicality while the prostitutes involved went to jail.

With things like that, I can understand why some/many marginalized people, the ones who frequently insist on this so-called cancel culture, argue stuff like 'there is still plenty of cancel culture engaged in by the rich and/or powerful, mostly based on right wing views, we'd just like to be equally protected.'

[Green Line]

Because liberals control academia, media, and increasingly business — they set the terms of the debate and define which opinions (usually conservative ones) cause you to incur personal or professional consequences. "Starbucks" cannot be canceled, since it's a massive multinational corporation; "cancel culture" usually refers to individuals.

You’ve had a taste of the red pill, and I can tell that its having a reaction inside.  Go ahead, bite off a little bit more.