Would you support America peacefully separating?

[We Live in Black and White]

Today I learned that safe spaces are segregation. Jesus Christ, conservatives really are a mistake of God, aren't they?

[Battista Minola 1616]

Today I learned that safe spaces are segregation. Jesus Christ, conservatives really are a mistake of God, aren't they?

Whoever mentioned safe spaces in this thread??

[We Live in Black and White]

Today I learned that safe spaces are segregation. Jesus Christ, conservatives really are a mistake of God, aren't they?

Whoever mentioned safe spaces in this thread??

Higgins' first post.

[Battista Minola 1616]

Today I learned that safe spaces are segregation. Jesus Christ, conservatives really are a mistake of God, aren't they?

Whoever mentioned safe spaces in this thread??

Higgins' first post.

Ah yes but Higgins has now been banned so I don't care about him anymore... I don't even think he was a conservative though.

[Mr. Illini]

Depends on the new borders. I wouldn't weep if trumpland left the US.

I mean, defining that is so subjective.  The state of Illinois would lose its richest county (Kendall), going by 2016 results ... we'd also be saying goodbye to several places that make our state better:

- McHenry County (nice tax base)
- McLean County (State Farm world HQ and Illinois State University)
- Jo Daviess County (Galena's mini vacation appeal)
- Sangamon County (ya know, our state government and capital ... actually...)
- Multiple Southern IL counties that contain the Shawnee National Forest, the prettiest part of this state by far

I am not a fan of division, but I think we all know a lot of Illinois' worst problems stem from heavily Democratic areas on the south and west sides of Chicago ... no need to demonize either party's voters (not that you were)!

At risk of entertaining this ridiculous idea, obviously if McHenry and Kendall were forced to choose between being in the same country as Chicagoland or the rest of the state (feels even more ridiculous as I type), they would choose to stick with Chicagoland despite the political differences. They are deeply intertwined with the rest of the metro area economically.

And your claim that our problems stem from the "south and west sides of Chicago" smells racist. If Democrats are the problem in your eyes, then I wonder why we on the north side didn't get a shout out, as we are heavily Democratic as well? Or, is the problem just blacks and Latinos?

[Sirius_]

The 15 states most dependent on the federal government are:

New Mexico
Kentucky
Mississippi
West Virginia
Montana
Alaska
South Carolina
Indiana
Arizona
Wyoming
Alabama
Louisiana
Maine
North Dakota
Tennessee



On the other hand, the 15 states that contribute the most to that same federal government are:

California:  $472M
New York:  $305M
Texas:  $292M
Florida:  $210M
Illinois:  $162M
Ohio:  $144M
Pennsylvania:  $141M
New Jersey:  $140M
Massachusetts:  $120M
Minnesota:  $102M
Washington:  $100M
Georgia:  $94M
North Carolina:  $88M
Virginia:  $84M
Michigan:  $82M


In total, blue states contribute $2120M and red states contribute $1411M.  That's a 60-40 split.

If you're trying to do a red-blue schism, though, you'd better hurry.  If you wait 15-20 years, Texas, Georgia and North Carolina will be blue states and then you'll really be screwed.

lol, why are MI and PA's colors flipped from their 2016 result in your list?

Because they still lean Democratic and one election result doesn't change that.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Depends on the new borders. I wouldn't weep if trumpland left the US.

I mean, defining that is so subjective.  The state of Illinois would lose its richest county (Kendall), going by 2016 results ... we'd also be saying goodbye to several places that make our state better:

- McHenry County (nice tax base)
- McLean County (State Farm world HQ and Illinois State University)
- Jo Daviess County (Galena's mini vacation appeal)
- Sangamon County (ya know, our state government and capital ... actually...)
- Multiple Southern IL counties that contain the Shawnee National Forest, the prettiest part of this state by far

I am not a fan of division, but I think we all know a lot of Illinois' worst problems stem from heavily Democratic areas on the south and west sides of Chicago ... no need to demonize either party's voters (not that you were)!

At risk of entertaining this ridiculous idea, obviously if McHenry and Kendall were forced to choose between being in the same country as Chicagoland or the rest of the state (feels even more ridiculous as I type), they would choose to stick with Chicagoland despite the political differences. They are deeply intertwined with the rest of the metro area economically.

And your claim that our problems stem from the "south and west sides of Chicago" smells racist. If Democrats are the problem in your eyes, then I wonder why we on the north side didn't get a shout out, as we are heavily Democratic as well? Or, is the problem just blacks and Latinos?

In terms of fiscal subsidies, the Southside of Chicago is a net recipient.

[Sumner 1868]

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[RINO Tom]

Depends on the new borders. I wouldn't weep if trumpland left the US.

I mean, defining that is so subjective.  The state of Illinois would lose its richest county (Kendall), going by 2016 results ... we'd also be saying goodbye to several places that make our state better:

- McHenry County (nice tax base)
- McLean County (State Farm world HQ and Illinois State University)
- Jo Daviess County (Galena's mini vacation appeal)
- Sangamon County (ya know, our state government and capital ... actually...)
- Multiple Southern IL counties that contain the Shawnee National Forest, the prettiest part of this state by far

I am not a fan of division, but I think we all know a lot of Illinois' worst problems stem from heavily Democratic areas on the south and west sides of Chicago ... no need to demonize either party's voters (not that you were)!

At risk of entertaining this ridiculous idea, obviously if McHenry and Kendall were forced to choose between being in the same country as Chicagoland or the rest of the state (feels even more ridiculous as I type), they would choose to stick with Chicagoland despite the political differences. They are deeply intertwined with the rest of the metro area economically.

And your claim that our problems stem from the "south and west sides of Chicago" smells racist. If Democrats are the problem in your eyes, then I wonder why we on the north side didn't get a shout out, as we are heavily Democratic as well? Or, is the problem just blacks and Latinos?

Lol, racist?  Really?  My point is that you shouldn’t draw ridiculous and judgmental conclusions on areas based on politics.  First of all, I didn’t say our problems stem from those areas, as in all of them ... I said many do, and they do.  I don’t care if their residents are purple ... a lot of Chicago’s problems stem from the south and west side.  And that’s my point: the fact that those areas vote Democratic shouldn’t be overly relevant to people, just as a poor rural voter’s preference for the GOP shouldn’t cause you or any other “liberal” to look down on them (unfortunately we don’t have a good -ist word for trashing the GOP’s poor voters...).  Additionally, your conjecture about those counties is irrelevant.  If “Trumpland” doesn’t include counties that literally voted for the guy, then any distinction loses credibility.

[Suburbia]

This is looking more like a possibility since a lot of Trump voters feel the election is rigged, and that a lot of progressives don't want to unify with Nazis and fascists.