Isn't it crazy how Trump was somehow able to expand his base when I heard for years that hes AllBASE

[Pissed-off CVS Manager]

I genuinely was convinced that Trump, who won 46% in 2016 would only receive the die hards of his base (that "immovable" 35-40% of deplorables) who stuck with him through the 4 years of lies and broken promises, yet he got 38% this time. Who on Earth are these people? They despise Joe Biden more than Hillary Clinton, when Clinton has worse unfavorable ratings?

This is not saying that Trumo just kept his base. TRUMP actually CONVERTED people.

[BlueSwan]

Yes, it is pretty much incomprehensible.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Democrats spent approximately five minutes soul searching about why they failed to connect with ancestral Dem working class and rural Midwestern voters before deciding that actually Trump won because of racism/Russians/voter suppression and going back to treating them like rubes. Running a guy who spent half a century in Washington isn't going to flip those people back because he was born in Scranton (except in Scranton, where it looks like he got an extra 10k votes)

In counties like Mahoning (Ohio), Lafayette (Wisconsin), Erie (Pennsylvania) and Macomb (Michigan) Trump not only won pretty much every single 2016 voter, he even picked up new voters. The only difference this time from 2016 is that Biden matched that with a gigantic tide of angry suburbanites, and even then the difference is going to be razor thin no matter how it falls.

[Pissed-off CVS Manager]

Democrats spent approximately five minutes soul searching about why they failed to connect with ancestral Dem working class and rural Midwestern voters before deciding that actually Trump won because of racism/Russians/voter suppression and going back to treating them like rubes. Running a guy who spent half a century in Washington isn't going to flip those people back because he was born in Scranton (except in Scranton, where it looks like he got an extra 10k votes)

In counties like Mahoning (Ohio), Lafayette (Wisconsin), Erie (Pennsylvania) and Macomb (Michigan) Trump not only won pretty much every single 2016 voter, he even picked up new voters. The only difference this time from 2016 is that Biden matched that with a gigantic tide of angry suburbanites, and even then the difference is going to be razor thin no matter how it falls.

Yeah, that's crazy. Trump lost Youngstown in 2016, but not this year.

[Pissed-off CVS Manager]

Democrats spent approximately five minutes soul searching about why they failed to connect with ancestral Dem working class and rural Midwestern voters before deciding that actually Trump won because of racism/Russians/voter suppression and going back to treating them like rubes. Running a guy who spent half a century in Washington isn't going to flip those people back because he was born in Scranton (except in Scranton, where it looks like he got an extra 10k votes)

In counties like Mahoning (Ohio), Lafayette (Wisconsin), Erie (Pennsylvania) and Macomb (Michigan) Trump not only won pretty much every single 2016 voter, he even picked up new voters. The only difference this time from 2016 is that Biden matched that with a gigantic tide of angry suburbanites, and even then the difference is going to be razor thin no matter how it falls.

Yeah, that's crazy. Trump lost Youngstown in 2016, but not this year.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Democrats spent approximately five minutes soul searching about why they failed to connect with ancestral Dem working class and rural Midwestern voters before deciding that actually Trump won because of racism/Russians/voter suppression and going back to treating them like rubes. Running a guy who spent half a century in Washington isn't going to flip those people back because he was born in Scranton (except in Scranton, where it looks like he got an extra 10k votes)

In counties like Mahoning (Ohio), Lafayette (Wisconsin), Erie (Pennsylvania) and Macomb (Michigan) Trump not only won pretty much every single 2016 voter, he even picked up new voters. The only difference this time from 2016 is that Biden matched that with a gigantic tide of angry suburbanites, and even then the difference is going to be razor thin no matter how it falls.

These lessons are obvious to those of us who aren't being paid to not learn them.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

These D that are saying this are Union bosses like Trumpka whom think it's business as usual, voters blindly donating to Act blue and they aren't doing that anymore. Voters have their own minds made up whom that they want to vote for.

Yeah pre Covid D's can afford to do that, not Post Covid that's why Joe Kennedy, Harrison, Bullock, Bollier are sitting at home

[pbrower2a]

Trump so far seems to have done worse in 2020 in Iowa, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, and Texas even if he still won them. He has lost Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin; he is likely to lose Pennsylvania once the Philly-area vote comes in in total, and who knows what the result will be in Georgia and North Carolina when the counting is done.

The only big state that he did better in in 2020 than in 2016 was Florida, and then because of a campaign directed at Cuban-American and Venezuelan-American voters that conflated Joe Biden with Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez. I did not see those ads, and I did not see them in full, so I can't tell whether he insinuated that he would liberate Cuba or Venezuela or something to that effect.

That is not the Trump base.

[Orwell]

Biden actually improved on HRC among "Trump's base" i.e. White working-class voters. He improved on HRC's mark among Union voters specifically going from 51% to 58% which is a pretty major swing towards him and if he would have hit HRC's mark it's likely he would lose WI and MI.

[Red Velvet]

Trump so far seems to have done worse in 2020 in Iowa, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, and Texas even if he still won them. He has lost Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin; he is likely to lose Pennsylvania once the Philly-area vote comes in in total, and who knows what the result will be in Georgia and North Carolina when the counting is done.

The only big state that he did better in in 2020 than in 2016 was Florida, and then because of a campaign directed at Cuban-American and Venezuelan-American voters that conflated Joe Biden with Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez. I did not see those ads, and I did not see them in full, so I can't tell whether he insinuated that he would liberate Cuba or Venezuela or something to that effect.

That is not the Trump base.

I didn’t know that Cubans and Venezuelans represented so much of Americans that they were able to make this such a narrow close race!

Just kidding hahaha. But I think it’s a much deeper urban-rural divide that got even more stimulated and both sides underestimated the other. Urban elites underestimated how much they are inside on a bubble and how they simply ignore the reality of large swathes of people and rural masses underestimated how people in cities hate Trump with passion, more than they ever did with no other president. Both sides were confident and energized, which somewhat canceled each other, with a small advantage to Biden and urban turn-out and the gains he made with suburban voters.

But this isn’t good for democrats on the long term, if you consider rural voters are more reliable to turn out. Losses with minorities can also be very dangerous for democrats but that depends a lot on how GOP knows to explore their new gains because I could also see republicans themselves not really understanding why Latinos voted for them, which would make them not make changes to accommodate this demographic and easily lose this support in the future.

[Motorcity]

Trump didn't "convert" anyone. Did Trump add to his base? Yes he did, with Cubans and Venezuelans


But remember, turnout was up on both sides. There were millions of Trump supporters who were too lazy to vote for him in 2016

Trump didn't "convert" anyone. Biden did. But Trump was able to squeez more votes

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

I genuinely was convinced that Trump, who won 46% in 2016 would only receive the die hards of his base (that "immovable" 35-40% of deplorables) who stuck with him through the 4 years of lies and broken promises, yet he got 38% this time. Who on Earth are these people? They despise Joe Biden more than Hillary Clinton, when Clinton has worse unfavorable ratings?

This is not saying that Trumo just kept his base. TRUMP actually CONVERTED people.

Just because Bob the IT Manager in Wauwatosa was happy with his 401k and wants abortion banned, and voted against Biden because he thought Biden wasn't good for business and was pro-abortion, does not make him a "Trump convert."

Like a dog returns to his vomit, Republicans come home to their party.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Biden actually improved on HRC among "Trump's base" i.e. White working-class voters. He improved on HRC's mark among Union voters specifically going from 51% to 58% which is a pretty major swing towards him and if he would have hit HRC's mark it's likely he would lose WI and MI.

Biden also improved greatly with middle-income voters and decently with low-income voters, while Trump improved greatly with higher-income voters.

People saw through his fake populism and trash tax law.

[Tekken_Guy]

Biden actually improved on HRC among "Trump's base" i.e. White working-class voters. He improved on HRC's mark among Union voters specifically going from 51% to 58% which is a pretty major swing towards him and if he would have hit HRC's mark it's likely he would lose WI and MI.

Biden also improved greatly with middle-income voters and decently with low-income voters, while Trump improved greatly with higher-income voters.

People saw through his fake populism and trash tax law.

No he didn’t. “High-income” voters pretty clearly trended towards Biden. Trump’s strength was largely through sky-high turnout with the WWC who stayed home in 2016. He would have beaten Hillary pretty convincingly otherwise.

[ElectionsGuy]

Yes, it is pretty much incomprehensible.

It's not if you step outside for a few minutes and talk to people. Literally half of my co-workers were Trump voters this time that either didn't vote in 2016 or were previous Dems voting for Obama/Hillary.

[BlueSwan]

Yes, it is pretty much incomprehensible.

It's not if you step outside for a few minutes and talk to people. Literally half of my co-workers were Trump voters this time that either didn't vote in 2016 or were previous Dems voting for Obama/Hillary.

What on earth is their reasoning?

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Yes, it is pretty much incomprehensible.

It's not if you step outside for a few minutes and talk to people. Literally half of my co-workers were Trump voters this time that either didn't vote in 2016 or were previous Dems voting for Obama/Hillary.

I knew a great number of people that shifted to Trump in 2020. I foolishly believed 'data' over actual in-person experiences because I thought more people simply must be shifting against him. But most anecdotes were in his favor. Can be difficult to adjust for the biases of your bubble!

[ElectionsGuy]

Yes, it is pretty much incomprehensible.

It's not if you step outside for a few minutes and talk to people. Literally half of my co-workers were Trump voters this time that either didn't vote in 2016 or were previous Dems voting for Obama/Hillary.

What on earth is their reasoning?

It varies from person to person. Maybe try talking to them and listen to what they have to say. I've heard everything from opposition to economic shutdowns to broader economic reasons, and the riots/safety. Granted, personally, most of them I've talked to aren't Hillary --> Trump converts, but new/infrequent voters, and a lot of them are low-information, but you get the point. 

[Buzz]

His first three years were great, so no it’s not in the least bit surprising.

[Badger]

Democrats spent approximately five minutes soul searching about why they failed to connect with ancestral Dem working class and rural Midwestern voters before deciding that actually Trump won because of racism/Russians/voter suppression and going back to treating them like rubes. Running a guy who spent half a century in Washington isn't going to flip those people back because he was born in Scranton (except in Scranton, where it looks like he got an extra 10k votes)

In counties like Mahoning (Ohio), Lafayette (Wisconsin), Erie (Pennsylvania) and Macomb (Michigan) Trump not only won pretty much every single 2016 voter, he even picked up new voters. The only difference this time from 2016 is that Biden matched that with a gigantic tide of angry suburbanites, and even then the difference is going to be razor thin no matter how it falls.

Yeah, that's crazy. Trump lost Youngstown in 2016, but not this year.

Just curious, is this confirmed? I know Trump was ahead in Mahoning County last I heard, but I assume like Pennsylvania, Georgia, Etc that there are a number of late coming democratic-leaning ballot in the state. It's just no one's paying attention because they obviously won't change the states outcome. Just curious.

[Pissed-off CVS Manager]

Trump didn't "convert" anyone. Did Trump add to his base? Yes he did, with Cubans and Venezuelans


But remember, turnout was up on both sides. There were millions of Trump supporters who were too lazy to vote for him in 2016

Trump didn't "convert" anyone. Biden did. But Trump was able to squeez more votes

That was my point exactly. Millions of people were too lazy to vote for him when was a rogue outsider who was gonna come in and shake up the system against unpopular Swamp creature Crooked Hillary Clinton, but now in 2020 they decide they are gonna get off their couch and vote.

[Pissed-off CVS Manager]

Biden actually improved on HRC among "Trump's base" i.e. White working-class voters. He improved on HRC's mark among Union voters specifically going from 51% to 58% which is a pretty major swing towards him and if he would have hit HRC's mark it's likely he would lose WI and MI.

Biden also improved greatly with middle-income voters and decently with low-income voters, while Trump improved greatly with higher-income voters.

People saw through his fake populism and trash tax law.

Polls had Trump losing with white voters, and barely maintaining a lead with white men (something like 55%).

No he didn’t. “High-income” voters pretty clearly trended towards Biden. Trump’s strength was largely through sky-high turnout with the WWC who stayed home in 2016. He would have beaten Hillary pretty convincingly otherwise.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Yes, it is pretty much incomprehensible.

It's not if you step outside for a few minutes and talk to people. Literally half of my co-workers were Trump voters this time that either didn't vote in 2016 or were previous Dems voting for Obama/Hillary.

What on earth is their reasoning?

It varies from person to person. Maybe try talking to them and listen to what they have to say. I've heard everything from opposition to economic shutdowns to broader economic reasons, and the riots/safety. Granted, personally, most of them I've talked to aren't Hillary --> Trump converts, but new/infrequent voters, and a lot of them are low-information, but you get the point. 

Trump's campaign/press team did a fantastic job selling the idea that COVID-19 was overblown by the media, and locking down cities would do more damage to people's lives than the virus...

...to Republicans. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Republicans coming home over this issue accounted for a large portion of Trump's raw vote gain (currently 5.7 million)