The Atlantic: Trump called Dead Soldiers “losers”

[GeneralMacArthur]

How is anything I said a non sequitar?

The below quote has nothing to do with the topic at hand.  Non sequiter.

This is projection at its finest. Sorry Mr. McMong but not everyone participates in this troglodytic internet game you play. I don’t recall ever jumping on the Biden/Clinton accuser bandwagons and on a matter of principle have tended to stay clear of such discussions, but if you feel the need to dig through my comments and verify that then by all means.

My position on accusations such as these (or accusations made against other Republicans and Democrats) is that until sufficient evidence is brought forth that this incident occurred I do not take it seriously. An article reporting on what “anonymous sources” said is not a credible form of evidence no matter how you spin it. If I were to concede this then I would have to simply accept anything written by mainstream media firms in this particularly polarised and amoral climate provided they state they received it from an unnamed source, which I find awfully gullible.

The story has been confirmed by numerous highly-credible outlets and relies on matching testimony from four different anonymous sources.  What about that is non-credible to you?

Do you think that all the outlets confirming this are just making it up, including Fox News?

Is the fact that the sources are anonymous the issue?  Why would anyone want to reveal themselves after what Trump has done, abusing his power to destroy the lives of everyone who reveals his ugly secrets?  Your side created this environment where people have to stay anonymous out of fear.

Do you think the sources could be lying?  Why would four different people lie about the same thing?  Why would all these different outlets (including FOX NEWS) stake their credibility on a sketchy allegation from people who could be lying?  The reality is that the "anonymous sources" are almost certainly high-ranking generals and Trump staffers, such as James Mattis.  Trump has tried to deny it but told numerous obvious lies in his denials.  And he says stuff like this all the time so it's not like it's some wild made-up story.

[Progressive Pessimist]

This doesn't bode well for Trump's support among military families:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1304074021781286913

It doesn't, but that's still way too good for Trump! That 45% of the country really is beyond reason.

[Crumpets]

This doesn't bode well for Trump's support among military families:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1304074021781286913

TBF, Joe would always have the edge because Beau served in Iraq. (of course, Hunter had a rather ignominious military "career", but that's not really on Joe)

I don't know if that's true. I suspect most Americans don't really know who Beau Biden is beyond "Joe Biden's son who died."

[Fight for Trump]

This doesn't bode well for Trump's support among military families:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1304074021781286913

TBF, Joe would always have the edge because Beau served in Iraq. (of course, Hunter had a rather ignominious military "career", but that's not really on Joe)

I don't know if that's true. I suspect most Americans don't really know who Beau Biden is beyond "Joe Biden's son who died."

Sorry, I misread the poll to be of military members, not the general public.

[Badger]

Grow up and have a bit of nuance for f**ks sake. Most people I interact with my age (20-21) regardless of political orientation demonstrate more maturity than you, a 50something year old, and that’s honestly just embarrassing.

Silence, cultist.

You and your ilk are literally the last people on the planet to invoke nuance.

[FairBol]

I just have to offer my take on something here. 

It's interesting to see your (by "your", I mean liberals) absolute hate of anyone who even suggests that you might be wrong. 

If someone were to say something like "all cops are scum" (basically, go with the party line), any thread on that subject would be an echo chamber...you'd universally agree.  However, the minute someone mentions a dissenting argument (or in this case, says you're generalizing), they get called a "cultist", "racist", "idiot", and "horrible person/HP".  And don't act like that doesn't frequently happen....please. 

I wouldn't normally make an issue of this, but I'm a bit surprised at how you've treated Wazza.  He says one word, basically to the effect of "provide concrete proof of this", and you jump on him "like white on rice".  Pretty quick to judge, aren't we? You don't know the guy, what he does, or what he's been through...and you don't even want to.  You're content to condemn and slander him simply because he might SOMETIMES disagree (I'm not saying he's right, just pointing out that he has a right to his own opinion). 

That's the way it is with you, I guess.  There's no right to have your own opinions, unless those opinions are the same as yours.  Why don't you do something decent, and give the guy a freakin' break?

[FairBol]

Response to the effect of "shut up, idiot" coming in 3...2...1...LOL

[Badger]

Not that conservatives are entitled to their own opinion, it's that they insist on being entitled to their own set of facts. This disregard of reality is what is so utterly contempt Worthy.

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1304962645620006912

[DaleCooper]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1304962645620006912

I hadn't seen that one yet. Thanks Donald!

[R.P. McM]

Release the tapes or it didn't happen.

/thread

Oh please. If All four sources to be named in print tomorrow and none of you cultist Chumps would change your mind in the slightest.

If a tape came out the day afterwards, you would all Rush to his defense that he was taken out of context, Miss quoted, or the recording was possibly actually fabricated.

Is the day after that he went on TV and said hey I said it and those troops were losers, you would all pull the fuzzy move and defend him because fighting abortion, socialism, and the antifa / BLM is worth degrading yourself with Trump support regardless.

What pisses progressives off about Trump supporters more than anything is, if you took us back in time 5 years ago so we could see all the things Trump would do, we would Shake our heads and assume that are Trump supporters would be almost universally kicking themselves and Trump would be at about a 20% approval rating and easily dispatched 3 nomination. But no, there's just no ends and no bottom to what you're willing to stoop to defend an amoral scumbag who's a moral scumbaggery affects every aspect of his presidency, even when his incompetence and Ron adult-rated evil and Corruption isn't bothered to be hidden one iota, but rather screamed in our Collective faces every day almost every hour.

Bottom line, there is no limit to which you will deny reality, and no bottom to which you will not stoop, to defend Trump because reasons. Don't act like judement of character, or even basic reality itself, is on your side.

You are making a series of statements about me all of which are false and most of which are slanderous. I am not a Trump supporter (I don’t even live in America) and have repeatedly stated on this forum that I do not like the man. You can not like Trump and still be skeptical of unproven claims made about politicians posted in newspapers. If Fox News reported on a series of anonymous sources claiming Biden had said he wanted to screw a senator’s daughter, I would hold a similar degree of skepticism.

What would constitute "proof?" Epistemologically, you're currently at odds with every major news outlet that's examined the story, including Fox. Which is more of a propaganda network than an actual, legitimate source of information. So what's your standard? If you insist on being an inveterate skeptic, that's fine, but it does mean you can't comment on ~90% of the stories reported. If you're unwilling to abide by that standard — electronic recordings or nothing, essentially — then you need to be prepared to be called out on your blatant hypocrisy. Which, if we examined your comment history, I'm sure we'd find plentiful evidence of.

This is projection at its finest. Sorry Mr. McMong but not everyone participates in this troglodytic internet game you play. I don’t recall ever jumping on the Biden/Clinton accuser bandwagons and on a matter of principle have tended to stay clear of such discussions, but if you feel the need to dig through my comments and verify that then by all means.

I have no problem with you abiding by a ludicrous standard, provided it's consistent. However, we do need to be clear that the claims of Tara Reade and Kathleen Willey aren't equally credible to the claims of prestigious journalistic outfits, or career military and intelligence professionals. Obviously, if you change your story in crucial ways a bunch of times, or repeatedly lie to the FBI and persuade your friend to commit perjury, you've done immense damage to your credibility, and no one is obligated to believe you. These latest Trump revelations are clearly a much higher standard of proof, but if you insist on remaining skeptical, all evidence to the contrary, all I ask for is a modicum of consistency.

[GoTfan]

This thread proves to me that conservatives only care about veterans when they want votes.

[Wazza [INACTIVE]]

Lol yes, how dare I be skeptical of hearsay from media firms who have a track record of dishonesty (Remember how CNN and Fox treated Ron Paul for instance?). How dare I not put these mega-conglomerates on a pedestal and doubt the infallibility of journalists as if they are some sort of priestly caste.

As of this moment I am unaware of any evidence which supplements the claims of these “anonymous sources” wether it be named individuals coming forward, detailed recollections of the event, tapes or video. The 21st Century Schizoid Men in this thread have also failed to produce evidence of me being a hypocrite. So until any new information is brought forward, there is really no reason to continue this “discussion”, which has become incredibly uninteresting.

[T'Chenka]

Lol yes, how dare I be skeptical of hearsay from media firms who have a track record of dishonesty (Remember how CNN and Fox treated Ron Paul for instance?). How dare I not put these mega-conglomerates on a pedestal and doubt the infallibility of journalists as if they are some sort of priestly caste.

As of this moment I am unaware of any evidence which supplements the claims of these “anonymous sources” wether it be named individuals coming forward, detailed recollections of the event, tapes or video. The 21st Century Schizoid Men in this thread have also failed to produce evidence of me being a hypocrite. So until any new information is brought forward, there is really no reason to continue this “discussion”, which has become incredibly uninteresting.

Yes or no: Tara Reade and Kathleen Willey are more credible than CNN and MSNBC. If you answer "yes", explain the reasoning behind your claim.

[GoTfan]

Lol yes, how dare I be skeptical of hearsay from media firms who have a track record of dishonesty (Remember how CNN and Fox treated Ron Paul for instance?). How dare I not put these mega-conglomerates on a pedestal and doubt the infallibility of journalists as if they are some sort of priestly caste.

As of this moment I am unaware of any evidence which supplements the claims of these “anonymous sources” wether it be named individuals coming forward, detailed recollections of the event, tapes or video. The 21st Century Schizoid Men in this thread have also failed to produce evidence of me being a hypocrite. So until any new information is brought forward, there is really no reason to continue this “discussion”, which has become incredibly uninteresting.

Dubious pro-Trump news from a poor source: "Finally! An unbiased source!"

Ponderably true anti-Trump news form a reliable outlet: "FAKE NEWS!!!!!!"

F**k off. I my cousin a sucker? Is my uncle a sucker? Were my grandfather, great uncle, and great grandfather suckers?

Conservatives don't give a s**t about the military unless it involves sending people off to get killed in some pointless war in the Middle East. How do I know that? My family has experience with that.

[Ancestral Republican]

This doesn't bode well for Trump's support among military families:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1304074021781286913

Isn't Trump leading by 10% or something among military households, in a poll taken after those comments came out? You can't fix stupid.

[FairBol]

Not that conservatives are entitled to their own opinion, it's that they insist on being entitled to their own set of facts. This disregard of reality is what is so utterly contempt Worthy.

As predicted.  LOL. 

[Bootes Void]

This doesn't bode well for Trump's support among military families:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1304074021781286913

I need a source on the poll but it even +10 would be a huge underperformance for Trump

Isn't Trump leading by 10% or something among military households, in a poll taken after those comments came out? You can't fix stupid.