Crusader Polling - Party System and Dissolution (Results)

[Lumine]

Testing the waters just for the hell of it. May do a more detailed poll later, this is just to get an indication of where people might stand (whilst not having to ask for username).

[windjammer]

Dissolving labor alone would be pointless. Negative partisanship is too powerful and a new party with a different name would just reemerge. In order for dissolution to work, you have to dissolve everything.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Dissolving labor alone would be pointless. Negative partisanship is too powerful and a new party with a different name would just reemerge. In order for dissolution to work, you have to dissolve everything.

It didn't work then even while dissolving both.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I look away for two hours and you guys hop on a stupid bandwagon without considering how it actually played out before.

Do you really think that IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, that you could arbitrarily rewrite the partisan landscape? Where are your heads?

If that was possible, we wouldn't be in this problem to start with.

Even back in 2012, their was a collective realization within 6 months that dissolving the RPP was a mistake and it was only after three more months of resistance by Jbrase and myself did IB finally concede to merge with the Whigs.

It took 16 months of Labor to nuke the Liberal Party.

All this without the present dynamics, which would in the current environment accelerate it.

But no, hang on big bad Yankee opposing the idea, start calculating how to work around me and never stop to consider the actual reasons why this is a bad and stupid idea.

[Adam Griffin]

I definitely don't support the dissolution of my own party just because the Right is s[inks]ttier than is historically usual right now.

In general terms/in a universal dissolution, though, all of the dynamics people "hate" about parties would just very quickly re-emerge, whether it be rabid partisanship, duopolies, etc. You might get a few months of a multiparty state, but even then, you'll likely have the same people voting in the same cross-party coalitions that exist currently, leading to the same outcomes and margins.

There is no functional point other than the recurring "boredom/burn it all down" strain of thought that appears from time to time. I was part of a big seemingly-spontaneous discussion about dissolving bicameralism just a couple of days ago, with that idea already fading away: people are stir-crazy right now, looking for anything to spice things up or what have you.

[Pericles]

I don't think dissolution would be helpful. First of all, it's not democratically fair. The people clearly want what Labor is offering right now. Why should we limit the options available to them? And why should Labor have to pay the price for its own success? It would be an artificial boost to competitiveness.

Simply dissolving the Federalist Party would be unhelpful either. Going through the process of forming a new party and the resulting period of disorganisation, chaos and drama would just make it even harder for them to win back power. I have to differ with others in the Labor leadership. PUP got part of the puzzle right by bringing in new talent, but a key flaw was that the new talent was unsupported. The new and old talent did not work sufficiently well together. At times this was the new talent perhaps rejecting the older players, that's what forming a new party is. It was also that certain older players didn't support PUP, for instance if PUP had had windjammer in it maybe it would have succeeded. The only way though for me and windjammer to have been working together was for us to both be in Labor. What was needed instead was to integrate new talent into an existing party structure where old talent really mentors it. Labor at least by the end of 2017 was already a husk of a party, the Federalists do have a much stronger party structure by comparison. So no, dissolving the Feds is not going to make the game more competitive.

As hard as it sounds, the Federalists need to find a way to adapt their party to the reality of the game right now. I don't have all the answers on this and even if I did it's your job to figure it out for yourselves. I think the Federalists also need to do better at affecting the composition of the electorate to succeed. Maybe they'll have to just accept another loss in October, but if Biden wins then 2021 may have more opportunities for the Federalist Party.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Yes, I said last week that might have to just ride it out until after Trump is gone and pray that it is in November. Of course this runs at cross purposes for those that still support Trump, but it is where we are at. The Internet is dominated by young college students, it is not hard to figure out what their views are and whenever a Republican is President, they are going to be militantly hostile to the right.

It is no accident that the Atlasian right ceased to exist in 2007 and 2008 when Bush at his lowest popularity.

[Senator Spark]

As GM, I think you are doing a good job of assessing the landscape here. Being in the game for a few years it certainly does feel noncompetitive and quite boring as of late IMO. While I support dissolving the parties, I think there should be a limit for both parties as to how much recruitment can be done as well as limiting participation in Atlasia to only active members. Just my two cents

[Continential]

For the people opposed to the current party system and against the dissolution of parties, how are we supposed to change?

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Do you think party dissolution could help the game?
> 55% Yes

 Do you support dissolution of the Labor Party?
> 69% No

 Do you support dissolution of the Federalist Party?
> 69% No

Why dissolution will never happen, in a nutshell. Not unlike how people overwhelmingly disapprove of Congress IRL, yet individual members keep getting reelected.

[You don't see any blue avatars now]

Dissolve all parties except Peace.

[Former President tack50]

Do you think party dissolution could help the game?
> 55% Yes

 Do you support dissolution of the Labor Party?
> 69% No

 Do you support dissolution of the Federalist Party?
> 69% No

Why dissolution will never happen, in a nutshell. Not unlike how people overwhelmingly disapprove of Congress IRL, yet individual members keep getting reelected.

Tbh I think Question  3 would be the more relevant one but that one is also losing

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Dissolve all parties except Peace.

Merge all parties with Peace.

[Blair]

I don't support it because the two ways of following it both lead to identical problems; you either have to outlaw parties & have non-partisian elections, which will just see an even bigger return to cults, fiefdoms and petty kings in the regions.

Or you have to somehow mandate a set of new parties which will continue to group & gather in the same way

[Lumine]

Forgot to release the results! There is wide discontent with the party system and a small majority that believes dissolution might help, but a majority also opposes its implementation. Unsurprisingly, dissolution of either of the two major parties alone are only supported by a small majority.

1. Are you satisfied with the current party system?
YES: 21% / NO: 69% / UNDECIDED: 10%

2. Do you think party dissolution could help the game?
YES: 51% / NO: 37% / UNDECIDED: 12%

3. Do you support dissolution of all parties?
YES: 37% / NO: 51% / UNDECIDED: 10%

4. Do you support dissolution of the Labor Party alone?
YES: 25% / NO: 67% / UNDECIDED: 8%

5. Do you support dissolution of the Federalist Party alone?
YES: 27% / NO: 67% / UNDECIDED: 6%

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

You flipped around yes and no on your question 1 result lol