How would Warren be doing if Sanders didn’t run?
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« on: March 24, 2020, 04:24:59 PM »

Would we be hearing the same things about Warren’s supporters that we hear about Sanders’ supporters?
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2020, 04:48:05 PM »

I genuinely believe that she'd be the nominee. Her progressive cred while simultaneously not being so far to the left as to scare off left-leaning moderates made her the only candidate capable of bridging both sides.

And I don't think we'd be hearing nearly as much about Warren's supporters as we hear about Bernie's supporters, even though most of Bernie's supporters would've been Warren supporters in this scenario, because they wouldn't have been nearly as toxic in their resigned support for Warren as they are for Saint Bernie.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2020, 05:04:01 PM »

She’d be losing to Biden. She could expand Sanders’ current coalition to include a strong majority of college whites, while loses many noncollege whites and latinos to Biden. A classic wine track candidate losing to a beer track one.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2020, 05:22:43 PM »

She'd still lose. She wouldn't be able to make the in roads with Latinos or Black voters that Bernie was at least semi-competent at attaining.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2020, 05:23:28 PM »

Worse than Sanders tbh.
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2020, 05:35:47 PM »
« Edited: March 25, 2020, 06:01:07 PM by Yank2133 »

She loses.

Warren is a smart wonk, but a terrible politician.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2020, 06:13:12 PM »

Bloomberg only entered the race due to Bernie Sanders was leading in the polls against Biden and even in 2016, he said he would run if Bernie was the nominee.  If Bernie didnt run and it was Warren v Biden, I doubt Bloomberg would have run
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2020, 07:37:01 PM »

Would we be hearing the same things about Warren’s supporters that we hear about Sanders’ supporters?

Yes, they would have been gaslighted, but a lot of Bernie supporters would have stayed home or voted someone else. She would not be the nominee.
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2020, 07:40:18 PM »

She would have done worse.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2020, 08:35:22 PM »

Warren was a bad candidate. She was the candidate that the largest portion of Democratic voters were considering and still crashed and burned. While I do actually believe that some of this was due to sexism, a lot of it was due to her absolutely awful political instincts.

First, she kicked off her campaign with the mind bogglingly dumb DNA test announcement and had no answer to address it throughout the campaign.

Next, she decided to release her M4A plan in the middle of impeachment when she could have easily skated the issue and maintained her lead. (although I commend her for trying unlike Bernie.)
 
Then, she decided to issue a statement against Bernie, basically accusing him of sexism (with no proof) in a conversation that took place years ago.

Finally, she decided to go after Bloomberg in the second to last debate, but made absolutely no effort to go after Bernie or Biden, whom she actually could have gained support from.

Warren is not a good politician. In fact, Hillary was much better even though no one will give her the credit due to her overconfidence
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2020, 12:16:09 AM »

She'd be in Sanders place right now running a distant second to Biden.  She showed no ability to pull black voters away from him and Biden would be dominating her with non-college white voters.
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2020, 07:26:32 AM »

She would undoubtedly be the nominee. She would've taken the Sanders lane and maybe ever siphoned off some of the voters who went for Pete or Amy in IA/NH to try and "stop Sanders"--she would've won IA, probably won NH, probably won NV, and might have been able to blunt Biden's momentum in SC.
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2020, 07:42:49 AM »
« Edited: March 25, 2020, 07:47:25 AM by Dac10 »

Warren’s problem wasn’t just that she was trying to appeal to progressive voters against Sanders. It was also that she was a poor candidate on her own right. Remember, there was a long period of time in the summer of 2019 when she was legitimately the front runner in all the polls. And she was getting plenty of media exposure at the time; you couldn’t go anywhere in public with with the news playing without seeing Warren trying to “relate” to voters. If a more politically talented candidate was in that position, they would have been the nominee easily.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2020, 09:14:06 AM »

Arguably worse. She was an awful candidate who barely cracked 60% in Massachusetts during a Democratic wave year.
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2020, 10:28:47 AM »

The real question is HOW WOULD Ojeda be doing
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2020, 12:50:48 PM »

She'd still lose. She wouldn't be able to make the in roads with Latinos or Black voters that Bernie was at least semi-competent at attaining.

How much of this is because both of them were in the race? And how much is due to Warren's flaws as a politician?
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2020, 05:56:09 PM »

Still behind Biden, but would have won some super tuesday states and would be making this an actual race
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2020, 06:08:15 PM »
« Edited: March 25, 2020, 06:15:36 PM by GP270watch »

 It's a damn shame she won't be President of The United States, especially at this coming time.

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