Where are the Bernie supporters that demanded Elizabeth Warren drop out?
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chibul
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« on: April 01, 2020, 07:38:07 PM »

I feel like it was less than a month ago that Bernie Sanders supporters were screaming from the rooftops that Elizabeth Warren drop out because there was no path forward. What happened to these supporters?
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2020, 08:12:04 PM »

They mostly became hypocrites, silent or otherwise.
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2020, 08:23:35 PM »

They only wanted her to drop out so the progressive vote could hopefully unite to stop the non-progressive candidates (like Biden).
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2020, 08:47:16 PM »

They mostly became hypocrites, silent or otherwise.

Nothing hypocritical about it. Sanders supporters wanted Warren to drop out to unite the progressive wing against the establishment wing. Now we finally got the direct duel between Progressives and Moderates, but unfortunately too late and under weird circumstances due to the pandemic. That's a different scenario where the progressive wing has lost and must consider the best way to get whatever concessions may be obtainable from the establishment.

If you stopped viewing the Democratic Party as a party in the traditional sense but acknowledged it's a forced marriage between two alienated parties, one (neo-)Liberal and one Social Democratic/Progressive, that would be more clear to you. Sanders supporters viewed Warren supporters as allies that ought to unite behind the strongest progressive, whereas Biden is an opponent and uniting behind him to defeat a common enemy (Trump) only makes sense if the progressive wing is assured a share in the spoils of victory.
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2020, 09:02:54 PM »

They mostly became hypocrites, silent or otherwise.

Nothing hypocritical about it. Sanders supporters wanted Warren to drop out to unite the progressive wing against the establishment wing. Now we finally got the direct duel between Progressives and Moderates, but unfortunately too late and under weird circumstances due to the pandemic. That's a different scenario where the progressive wing has lost and must consider the best way to get whatever concessions may be obtainable from the establishment.

If you stopped viewing the Democratic Party as a party in the traditional sense but acknowledged it's a forced marriage between two alienated parties, one (neo-)Liberal and one Social Democratic/Progressive, that would be more clear to you. Sanders supporters viewed Warren supporters as allies that ought to unite behind the strongest progressive, whereas Biden is an opponent and uniting behind him to defeat a common enemy (Trump) only makes sense if the progressive wing is assured a share in the spoils of victory.

The question at hand didn't apply with regards to the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. It applies to Bernie supporters.

Now, last I checked, "hypocritical" was defined as being characterized by behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe or feel. If that's still the case, then Bernie supporters having demanded that one candidate drop out when she had no path forward but not doing the same when their candidate also has no path forward is literally a perfect exemplification of the word "hypocritical."

P.S. based on the well-known level of vitriol with which Warren & many of her supporters have been targeted a lot of Bernie supporters, I'd be much more willing to bet that they viewed Warren as "an opponent" who needed to "unit[e] behind [Bernie] to defeat a common enemy ([Biden])" than as an ally. Those who kept spewing BS about her being a Republican seem to believe that anybody who dares to challenge 'Saint Bernie' is inherently incapable of being an ally.
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2020, 09:24:53 PM »

They mostly became hypocrites, silent or otherwise.
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2020, 09:47:24 PM »

They mostly became hypocrites, silent or otherwise.

Nothing hypocritical about it. Sanders supporters wanted Warren to drop out to unite the progressive wing against the establishment wing. Now we finally got the direct duel between Progressives and Moderates, but unfortunately too late and under weird circumstances due to the pandemic. That's a different scenario where the progressive wing has lost and must consider the best way to get whatever concessions may be obtainable from the establishment.

If you stopped viewing the Democratic Party as a party in the traditional sense but acknowledged it's a forced marriage between two alienated parties, one (neo-)Liberal and one Social Democratic/Progressive, that would be more clear to you. Sanders supporters viewed Warren supporters as allies that ought to unite behind the strongest progressive, whereas Biden is an opponent and uniting behind him to defeat a common enemy (Trump) only makes sense if the progressive wing is assured a share in the spoils of victory.

Unfortunately, that's not the position we find ourselves in. The Trump-Republican regime is a treasonous, mass-murdering abomination. while a Biden administration would be less than we'd prefer. The only sane, human choice her is to support Biden, work to maximize anti-Trump turnout, and help flip as many House and especially Senate seats as possible. As the Republicans are being sent to history's toxic waste disposal, we can continue to educate, organize and elect progressive representatives. Once the Banana Republicans and their toxic ideologies are gone for good, the neo-liberals, social democrats, and Never-Trump Republicans can start practicing actual politics again and engage in good faith in our representative democracy to shape a better future.

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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2020, 10:05:47 PM »

Whew. Remember when Bernouts were telling everybody to drop out after Nevada and coalesce around him? LMFAO!
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2020, 10:51:43 PM »

The funny thing is that Warren dropping out helped Biden.
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2020, 11:09:21 PM »

They mostly became hypocrites, silent or otherwise.
So are we just gonna pretend like dropping out of a 2 person race is the same as dropping out from a race with multiple people?
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2020, 11:12:27 PM »

They mostly became hypocrites, silent or otherwise.
So are we just gonna pretend like dropping out of a 2 person race is the same as dropping out from a race with multiple people?

It's no longer a 2-person race when 1 of the 2 people has no chance. At this point, it's only a 2-person race in the sense that it's now Biden vs. Trump.
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2020, 11:14:17 PM »

They mostly became hypocrites, silent or otherwise.
So are we just gonna pretend like dropping out of a 2 person race is the same as dropping out from a race with multiple people?

Bernie has the same chance of winning if he stays in than he does it he doesn’t. 0!
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