HarrisX national poll: Biden 28 Sanders 23 Bloomberg 20 Warren 11 Gabbard 2

[BlueSwan]

I'm not accusing anyone of "cheating" or talking about any kind of "conspiracy." I'm saying that regardless of what the voters actually say later today, the party is deciding, and it's disappointing to see, since I was hoping things would not go down the same as they did in 2016.

But this is just nonsense. Pure nonsense.

The "party" isn't deciding because there are now fewer candidates vying for moderate voters. The voters are still deciding. Same thing happened in 2016 - Clinton got by far the most votes and the most non-super delegates.

Yes, eventually the voters got a chance as well, and I’ve never denied that Clinton won by a lot in 2016. If Biden gets more votes, I will accept it. I just wish the party had more confidence in the voters. That’s all.

It doesn't get less nonsensical by repeating it. How is "the party" not having "confidence" in the voters? Nothing has changed. Two candidates who had no path has dropped out. Yes, this means that Bernie will struggle to win the nomination if he cannot expand beyond the 25%-30% support he seems to be stuck at. That's hardly undemocratic.

[brucejoel99]

I'm not accusing anyone of "cheating" or talking about any kind of "conspiracy." I'm saying that regardless of what the voters actually say later today, the party is deciding, and it's disappointing to see, since I was hoping things would not go down the same as they did in 2016. As for AOC endorsing Sanders, it did seem like an effort to throw a lifeline to Sanders after Warren had surged, and it probably worked. I didn't feel great about that either, and I mentioned in at least one of my recent posts that I have mixed feelings about Sanders not passing the baton this year. And while I appreciate the use of "some", I will point out that I have not trashed other supporters. I've never attacked someone merely for supporting a candidate (though I have pointed out that it's more disappointing when said support is merely a strategic way of blocking one candidate than actually admiration for said candidate.)

Yeah, I'm sorry. To be fair, "the party... deciding" without "trust[ing] its voters" would seem to indicate an implication of a conspiracy of some sort, but nevertheless, I'm sorry for misconceiving what you, in particular, were saying. Thank you for clarifying honestly, I truly appreciate it.

Xing didn't say anything about a conspiracy so it's pretty disingenuous to get in a huff about him complaining that there is? No one else in the thread is even using the word conspiracy other than Biden people.

I'm not in a huff about Xing. It's a huff (& rightly so, in my opinion) about "some online Bernie supporters." Check twitter, reddit, etc. It's being done plenty; sorry if you're not seeing it.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Xing with the hot take that endorsements are the death of democracy.  Today could get rough.

[BlueSwan]

I'm not accusing anyone of "cheating" or talking about any kind of "conspiracy." I'm saying that regardless of what the voters actually say later today, the party is deciding, and it's disappointing to see, since I was hoping things would not go down the same as they did in 2016. As for AOC endorsing Sanders, it did seem like an effort to throw a lifeline to Sanders after Warren had surged, and it probably worked. I didn't feel great about that either, and I mentioned in at least one of my recent posts that I have mixed feelings about Sanders not passing the baton this year. And while I appreciate the use of "some", I will point out that I have not trashed other supporters. I've never attacked someone merely for supporting a candidate (though I have pointed out that it's more disappointing when said support is merely a strategic way of blocking one candidate than actually admiration for said candidate.)

Yeah, I'm sorry. To be fair, "the party... deciding" without "trust[ing] its voters" would seem to indicate an implication of a conspiracy of some sort, but nevertheless, I'm sorry for misconceiving what you, in particular, were saying. Thank you for clarifying honestly, I truly appreciate it.

Xing didn't say anything about a conspiracy so it's pretty disingenuous to get in a huff about him complaining that there is? No one else in the thread is even using the word conspiracy other than Biden people.

I'm not in a huff about Xing. It's a huff (& rightly so, in my opinion) about "some online Bernie supporters." Check twitter, reddit, etc. It's being done plenty; sorry if you're not seeing it.

I was inclined to be kind to Xing after the post he made in the other thread about how he felt, but I'm sorry, this talk about the party deciding and voters not being trusted is total unmitigated conspiracy nonsense regardless of how much he himself says that it isn't.

If you don't want to be regarded as a conspiracy theorist, then don't spout conspiracy theories.

[Xing]

I'm not accusing anyone of "cheating" or talking about any kind of "conspiracy." I'm saying that regardless of what the voters actually say later today, the party is deciding, and it's disappointing to see, since I was hoping things would not go down the same as they did in 2016. As for AOC endorsing Sanders, it did seem like an effort to throw a lifeline to Sanders after Warren had surged, and it probably worked. I didn't feel great about that either, and I mentioned in at least one of my recent posts that I have mixed feelings about Sanders not passing the baton this year. And while I appreciate the use of "some", I will point out that I have not trashed other supporters. I've never attacked someone merely for supporting a candidate (though I have pointed out that it's more disappointing when said support is merely a strategic way of blocking one candidate than actually admiration for said candidate.)

Yeah, I'm sorry. To be fair, "the party... deciding" without "trust[ing] its voters" would seem to indicate an implication of a conspiracy of some sort, but nevertheless, I'm sorry for misconceiving what you, in particular, were saying. Thank you for clarifying honestly, I truly appreciate it.

Xing didn't say anything about a conspiracy so it's pretty disingenuous to get in a huff about him complaining that there is? No one else in the thread is even using the word conspiracy other than Biden people.

I'm not in a huff about Xing. It's a huff (& rightly so, in my opinion) about "some online Bernie supporters." Check twitter, reddit, etc. It's being done plenty; sorry if you're not seeing it.

No worries, I get that emotions are running high, and I'll be the first to admit that I probably haven't expressed my frustration in the most productive or comprehensible way, and I apologize for that as well. You're a good poster and haven't generalized about all Sanders supporters, so I've definitely got no beef with you.

I'm not accusing anyone of "cheating" or talking about any kind of "conspiracy." I'm saying that regardless of what the voters actually say later today, the party is deciding, and it's disappointing to see, since I was hoping things would not go down the same as they did in 2016. As for AOC endorsing Sanders, it did seem like an effort to throw a lifeline to Sanders after Warren had surged, and it probably worked. I didn't feel great about that either, and I mentioned in at least one of my recent posts that I have mixed feelings about Sanders not passing the baton this year. And while I appreciate the use of "some", I will point out that I have not trashed other supporters. I've never attacked someone merely for supporting a candidate (though I have pointed out that it's more disappointing when said support is merely a strategic way of blocking one candidate than actually admiration for said candidate.)

Yeah, I'm sorry. To be fair, "the party... deciding" without "trust[ing] its voters" would seem to indicate an implication of a conspiracy of some sort, but nevertheless, I'm sorry for misconceiving what you, in particular, were saying. Thank you for clarifying honestly, I truly appreciate it.

Xing didn't say anything about a conspiracy so it's pretty disingenuous to get in a huff about him complaining that there is? No one else in the thread is even using the word conspiracy other than Biden people.

I'm not in a huff about Xing. It's a huff (& rightly so, in my opinion) about "some online Bernie supporters." Check twitter, reddit, etc. It's being done plenty; sorry if you're not seeing it.

I was inclined to be kind to Xing after the post he made in the other thread about how he felt, but I'm sorry, this talk about the party deciding and voters not being trusted is total unmitigated conspiracy nonsense regardless of how much he himself says that it isn't.

If you don't want to be regarded as a conspiracy theorist, then don't spout conspiracy theories.

I'm going to respond to your well-written post in the other thread, because it was a very good post, and I want you to know that I will be getting to it. Give me a minute. I don't think you're understanding my frustration here, and calling me a "conspiracy theorist" isn't helping either of us. I don't think you can really deny that most party leaders don't want Sanders to be the nominee. Sure, you can argue that they have their reasons, but it's pretty clear that they're making their desires very public, and they happen to be doing so before many votes have even been cast. That's not a conspiracy theory, that's something which should be pretty obvious to anyone observing this primary. Some people may find no problem with this, or think that it is good, and I'm just saying that I'm disappointed by it. I apologize if I haven't expressed my opinion very well, but that is my opinion. I'm not saying that they're controlling anything or rigging any votes.

[Xing]

Xing with the hot take that endorsements are the death of democracy.  Today could get rough.

Ah, thanks GMA, glad I can count on you to totally perfectly not misrepresent my point.

[BlueSwan]

I'm not saying that they're controlling anything or rigging any votes.

Thank you, that is all I needed to hear.

And yes, I obviously agree that party leader and elected officials by and large do not want Bernie as the candidate, but I also believe that they are entitled to their opinion, just as much as I believe that they are entitled to support whatever candidate they wish to support. Hearing from those people is part of the decision making progress, but the decision is ultimately made by the voters. If Bernie wants to win he needs to build a larger coalition than the usual 25%.

[SN2903]

Dems will never be able to unite this year.

[Holmes]

Disappointing as hell. And yeah, the party doesn't trust its voters.

It isn't the party's fault that Sanders has failed to expand his base beyond his radical supporters. What a stupid thing to say.

Radical supporters? Your party nominated and elected Trump. How about you get your own house in order instead of coming into another party's primary and acting a fool?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Disappointing as hell. And yeah, the party doesn't trust its voters.

It isn't the party's fault that Sanders has failed to expand his base beyond his radical supporters. What a stupid thing to say.

Radical supporters? Your party nominated and elected Trump. How about you get your own house in order instead of coming into another party's primary and acting a fool?

Lol. Nice try. I didn't vote for Trump. I gave money and voted for Hillary. I have not been a loyal Republican for over a decade now, but I keep the blue avatar as a tradition.

My point still stands.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Disappointing as hell. And yeah, the party doesn't trust its voters.

Seriously? I'm a 21 year old college student from a middle class blue-collar family and I support Biden. I am not the establishment and this attack against his support is ridiculous.

[Xing]

Disappointing as hell. And yeah, the party doesn't trust its voters.

Seriously? I'm a 21 year old college student from a middle class blue-collar family and I support Biden. I am not the establishment and this attack against his support is ridiculous.

Uh, I didn't attack your support? I was saying that I find the party rushing to endorse Biden before ST disappointing, but since many has seemed to interpret what I said a different way, I'm not going to take this any further.